ICv2 stats Q4 2009

r3skyline said:
yugioh is actually > pokemon. i don't know where they got their numbers from =/
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Yu-Gi-Oh easily beats Pokemon in competitive playerbase, sure. But these are sales figures, not tournament attendance. The majority of these numbers come from casual fans who don't participate in OP. In other words, how many little kids have their parents buy them Pokemon cards at the store? Obviously more than Yu-Gi-Oh..
 
Its been like that for a while in the states hence the Powerforce pre-release being pushed forward to act as direct competition for HGSS, my league ended up having pre-release after the release
 
masterryanx said:
Yu-Gi-Oh easily beats Pokemon in competitive playerbase, sure. But these are sales figures, not tournament attendance. The majority of these numbers come from casual fans who don't participate in OP. In other words, how many little kids have their parents buy them Pokemon cards at the store? Obviously more than Yu-Gi-Oh..
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oh really?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2009-08-07/konami-digital-entertainment-inc.s-yu-gi-oh-trading-card-game-is-one-for-the-record-books-with-more-than-22-billion-cards-sold-around-the-world

im pretty sure if pokemon had more sales, they wouldve beaten konami.

these are quarterly sales in the link. not all time.
 
Well, if you've ever been to a magic tournament (I haven't but I've seen one at origins) You'll notice that it looks more like a soup kitchen than a tournament. Not to be mean to magic/yu-gi-oh players, but I think most of them can agree that their games don't attract the most desirable crowd in general.... I can't say there aren't hobo's/desperates who play pokemon, but Magic especially has a reputation to it. There are plenty of hobos in America so...ya.

Well I'm certainly glad pokemon is up at the top. Maybe we will get more respect as a game... I remember my League leader telling me last year that they were thinking about no longer selling pokemon since the market was down. Hopefully this is a step forward.
 
pokemon parents have the worst attitudes ive seen yet compared to yugioh players. i was actually very shocked!
 
We might as well merge this thread with the one Water Pokemon Master made cause it's the same topic basically:

http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=72928&pid=1453639#pid1453639
 
r3skyline said:
pokemon parents have the worst attitudes ive seen yet compared to yugioh players. i was actually very shocked!
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been a judge and player of both....I'll take pokemon parents over yu-gi-oh players anyday...yea, you have your bad-attitude parents, but those are really far and few between comparitively to the bad-attitude players I've seen in ygo
 
qnetykz said:
been a judge and player of both...I'll take pokemon parents over yu-gi-oh players anyday...yea, you have your bad-attitude parents, but those are really far and few between comparitively to the bad-attitude players I've seen in ygo
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the attitude comes because of the cards. if it werent for the prices of the cards, there wouldnt be a problem.

a complete tier 1 deck in ygo is easily 400+.

a complete tier 1 deck in pokemon is $100 or less.

ill take yugioh parents over pokemon ones any day. they dont shove the "spirit of the game" philosophy down my throat when im the one that dropped money, so obviously im playing to win. they get a problem with me calling a judge, thats their fault, not mine.
 
r3skyline said:
the attitude comes because of the cards. if it werent for the prices of the cards, there wouldnt be a problem.

a complete tier 1 deck in ygo is easily 400+.

a complete tier 1 deck in pokemon is $100 or less.

ill take yugioh parents over pokemon ones any day. they don't shove the "spirit of the game" philosophy down my throat when im the one that dropped money, so obviously im playing to win. they get a problem with me calling a judge, thats their fault, not mine.
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but the prices of the cards that you pay for isn't anybody else's fault but your own...you chose to play a game that is more about the money than "the spirit of the game, so keep the bad attitude to yourself...as for the parents...YGO parents aren't nearly as seen as PKM parents, out of all the tournaments I judged weekend in and weekend out for YGO, it was more like a daycare for kids to adolescents, I saw less than a handful of parents that were actually involved, PKM parents may be that way because they are actually trying to look out for their children against people who have poor sportsmanship and bad attitudes, and that lack the "spirit of the game"...perhaps if YGO parents were more like that, and smack their kids upside their heads for their poor sportsmanship and bad attitudes, instead of getting mad when their kid gets booted from a tourney for having poor sportsmanship and bad attitudes...then you probably wouldn't see that kind of behavior out of the kids that play YGO nearly as much...I'll take PKM parents over YGO parents, because for the most part, PKM parents are at least teaching their kids some sense of moral value, while YGO parents are just letting their kids do what ever...I see PKM parents every week with their kids at league...yea, there are alot that are just drop offs, but that's tons more than what I see out of YGO parents outside of the usual paying for this and that card

YGO is the way that it is money wise because it is a collector's game, always has been a collector's game, even before it came here to the states...and since it's release...pack prices, at least $1 - $2 more than any other competitively played TCG...the pack ratios are retardedly ridiculous, and then even if you do pull something good, that doesn't mean that they won't undermine the value of that card by releasing a lesser rarity version later, and I'm not even gonna get started on the "we can't make up our mind" forbidden/limited list
 
gonna go backwards.

yea, because pokemon totally solves all its problems with meta properly. lets take the easy way out and just outright ban SETS. thats soooo convient for people who come in at wrong times.

at least our banlists are actually determined by the meta. not by what sets might or might not be hit.

as for locals and parents. yugioh tries to have the kids learn through others. through interaction with other people. to not have their parents hover around their children all the time.

the "spirit of the game" is cool, but not when people continue to throw it in another person's face. and yea, youre doing that now too.

prices of the cards is NOT our fault. its KONAMIS fault for making the ratios completely out of line. take for instance frank debritos pulls. he got around 5000 packs. and pulled a secret approximately 1/22 packs. so yea, take into account the amount of money someone would have to spend on that. thats pretty much a box. so naturally someone would want to price the secret at the cost of the box/playability.

take into account pokemon. ive pulled many a good lv x's and such quite easily. obv the pull ratios are godly compared to yugioh and mtg. so naturally, stuff will be priced wayyyy cheaper.

the fact that konami makes reprints means they actually listen to their playerbase when the players say they want easier access to certain cards. how is that bad for the game?!?!? who cares about collectability. its all about being able to play the game.



yes its cool that pokemon TRIES to teach kids about morals and such, but parents should be doing that on their own anyway. no sense in a game trying to do a parents job.

i see pokemon as something that a family can do.

the games are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT in that state.
 
r3skyline said:
yea, because pokemon totally solves all its problems with meta properly. lets take the easy way out and just outright ban SETS. thats soooo convient for people who come in at wrong times.

at least our banlists are actually determined by the meta. not by what sets might or might not be hit.

don't really know how long you've been playing TCG's, but that's how many TCG's have done business, and continue to do business...by utilizing a rotating card library, and making only so many sets legal for tournament play...because it's soooo fair to keep much older cards in the meta to be played with (which can easily be much more difficult to obtain than cards that have been released recently)...this type of thinking is done to help prevent broken combos from happening, while it isn't a fool-proof plan to prevent said combos, it's quite a bit harder to find broken combos in games that utilize such rotation tactics...and while YGO's banlist is supposedly determined by the meta, that still doesn't prevent them from creating broken combos...which is the main reason I left the game alone in the first place


as for locals and parents. yugioh tries to have the kids learn through others. through interaction with other people. to not have their parents hover around their children all the time.

the "spirit of the game" is cool, but not when people continue to throw it in another person's face. and yea, youre doing that now too.

with the multitude of players in YGO with bad attitudes, this philosophy doesn't really work very well...because if they learn through interaction with people that have bad attitude, the only thing that's really gonna happen, is either the kid is going to pick up the same bad habits and attitudes as the people they are learning from (adding yet another to the number of players that have bad attitudes and poor sportsmanship), or they are going to do the opposite and quit...as for the hovering, in premiere events, this is not allowed...let alone them being allowed to interfere with a match, if you're at an premiere event where something like that does happen, then it needs to be brought to the attention of a Judge/Professor, if the problem isn't handled, then go to the Tournament Organizer, and if that isn't an option, it needs to be brought to the attention of POP, so it can be handled accordingly

at premiere events, the only people that should be allowed in close proximity to matches are: players who are playing and/or finishing their matches, and judges/professors

the "spirit of the game" thing...what was said wasn't in reference to you personally, but in reference to anyone that plays the game and has a bad attitude...now if you took that personally, it may be an indicator that you, yourself are guilty of such behavior...whether that is truth or not, I could really care less...as you aren't a player that played in any event I judged for YGO (or had to DQ for their bad attitude and poor sportsmanship), nor are you a player in any league I lead at, or event I judge in...and no, I'm not throwing it in your face, I'm making mention of it, because it was referred to

prices of the cards is NOT our fault. its KONAMIS fault for making the ratios completely out of line. take for instance frank debritos pulls. he got around 5000 packs. and pulled a secret approximately 1/22 packs. so yea, take into account the amount of money someone would have to spend on that. thats pretty much a box. so naturally someone would want to price the secret at the cost of the box/playability.

take into account pokemon. ive pulled many a good lv x's and such quite easily. obv the pull ratios are godly compared to yugioh and mtg. so naturally, stuff will be priced wayyyy cheaper.

the fact that konami makes reprints means they actually listen to their playerbase when the players say they want easier access to certain cards. how is that bad for the game?!?!? who cares about collectability. its all about being able to play the game.

while you are right, it's not your fault that Konami sets their prices and ratios the way they do...however, it is your fault that you pay those prices to play the game...if you don't like the prices of the cards, why are you paying the price to play the game?...Konami may set the prices, but they don't force you to pay said price...that is a choice that is made all on your own...so as stated, you choose to play a game that is more about the money than it is "the game", so if that is the cause of the bad attitude, keep it to yourself, because is in the end, it's still your choice to continue to pay those prices to play that game

as for the reprints...yea, that is a decent idea, too bad they tend to wait until after a good number of people have already paid arms and legs to pull such cards (or buy them in some cases)...but obviously, that isn't enough, if the bad attitudes are caused by card prices, which are normally governed by playability, rarity, and accessibility...so while that isn't bad for the game, it doesn't quite seem enough to fix the bad attitudes

yes its cool that pokemon TRIES to teach kids about morals and such, but parents should be doing that on their own anyway. no sense in a game trying to do a parents job.

i see pokemon as something that a family can do.

the games are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT in that state.
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now onto the last bit here...you might want to go back and read what I posted beforehand...this is what I stated about that actually:

I'll take PKM parents over YGO parents, because for the most part, PKM parents are at least teaching their kids some sense of moral value, while YGO parents are just letting their kids do what ever...I see PKM parents every week with their kids at league...yea, there are alot that are just drop offs, but that's tons more than what I see out of YGO parents outside of the usual paying for this and that card
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so yea, the parents are doing their part to teach their kids "morals and such", not the game...all TCG's can be played and/or collected as a family, there is no difference between any TCG in that aspect...now whether a TCG is played and/or collected as a family or not, is completely upto the family...the only real differences in TCG's are just game mechanics and themes, PKM just happens to be a theme that is more easily picked up by families due to the nature of the theme, as compared to other TCG's
 
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