Discussion Is gardevoir GX still going to be viable after ultra prism and new solgaleo gx?

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So with all the crap ton of metal support coming out soon do you think gardevoir will still be relevant in the standard format? I feel like it has a change against metal magnezone decks by using guzma and knocking it out and using weakness policy against the new solgaleo gx, what are your opinions about this?
 
I don't know what people see in the Dusk Mane Necrozma GX. If you speak of the promo Solgaleo-GX, then I see what you mean.
I think not. With all this metal support, I don't think Gardevoir GX is going to live through the onslaught. If decks play Weakness Policy, then perhaps we could see a splinter of Gardevoir GX here and there.
Other than that, Gardevoir's going to get wrecked.
 
Lord Goomy said:
I don't know what people see in the Dusk Mane Necrozma GX. If you speak of the promo Solgaleo-GX, then I see what you mean.
I think not. With all this metal support, I don't think Gardevoir GX is going to live through the onslaught. If decks play Weakness Policy, then perhaps we could see a splinter of Gardevoir GX here and there.
Other than that, Gardevoir's going to get wrecked.
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He is talking about the promo Solgaleo-GX. Dusk Mane is distinctly average.
 
Yeah the new one that just needs a DCE to hit for 120 will make gardy irrelevant for a while. I mean that attack is going to be broken, and it accelerates energy from the discard. Not to mention its ability...broken for sure.
 
What about running 1-0-1 of the new Solgaleo GX in the Garde deck, to use the no-weakness ability.
 
I don't see a reason why any deck wouldn't try and run the new solgaleo. He has all colorless attacks and an amazing ability.
It's hard to see a world where gardevoir isn't going to be in the meta. It may drop in popularity but it will still be a powerhouse.
 
I doubt that gardy will see any play imo even with the weakness removing Solgaleo, and here is why
SuMo Solgaloe Hits 230 without choice band, or weakness, perfect KO on Gardy
DM Necrozma: 250 with choice band and no weakness, perfect KO on Gardy
NewGaleo doesn’t really help gardy much imo
 
crystal_pidgeot said:
Gardevoir-GX might need to be banned
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With all do respect, I would like to hear your opinion on Gardevoir GX being banned.

osmyth said:
What about running 1-0-1 of the new Solgaleo GX in the Garde deck, to use the no-weakness ability.
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This actually is a great idea imo. Especially with the requirement of the new super boost energy
 
Gardevoir will continue to have a place in the Meta. People will play Fire decks to counter the rise of Metal-types, allowing Gardevoir to still be viable. It's no different than any other top tier deck. They all have their strengths and weaknesses.

In my opinion, I think Salazzle GX/Garbodor will be a big archetype. Shut down the new Solgaleo GX's ability and hit all Metal-types for weakness for only two energy, 2HKO everything else with or without a Choice Band. I intend to build a Salazzle GX/Garbodor list once the next set comes out just to see how it does.
 
crystal_pidgeot said:
I hope not because if it does, Gardevoir-GX might need to be banned...
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Your right. Seeing how the last big pokemon tournament, European International, only had a single Gardevoir deck in top 8 (and it didn't even win). Clearly that means that Gardevoir is so broken that it's dominating the format and must be banned as a result
 
not every deck will be metal. Necrozma/Magnezone will have a hard time with ability lock and volcanion but still be good. Newgaleo doesn't hit the big numbers when it needs to and trying to put in the old solgaleo or even DM necrozma could ruin how the deck could function. Golisopod manages to get by with volcanion in the format and greninja still finds top 8s with golisopod and giratina in the format. Unlike what happened to mewtwo with garbodor new metal decks wont completly take over the format due to being good against every single deck in the format.

Also Newgaleo does not seem to be coming out in ultra prism but instead coming out later in a special box or something
 
Professor_jplap said:
With all do respect, I would like to hear your opinion on Gardevoir GX being banned.


This actually is a great idea imo. Especially with the requirement of the new super boost energy
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If it can still survive after this onslaught of hard counters, then I think it's time to have an honest discussion about the card.

CrownAxe said:
Your right. Seeing how the last big pokemon tournament, European International, only had a single Gardevoir deck in top 8 (and it didn't even win). Clearly that means that Gardevoir is so broken that it's dominating the format and must be banned as a result
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You missed the point of my comment entirely.
 
Professor_jplap said:
With all do respect, I would like to hear your opinion on Gardevoir GX being banned.


This actually is a great idea imo. Especially with the requirement of the new super boost energy
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crystal_pidgeot said:
If it can still survive after this onslaught of hard counters, then I think it's time to have an honest discussion about the card.



You missed the point of my comment entirely.
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Super Boost Energy is nice, but has way too many drawbacks. You can only run one in your deck, you have to have three Stage 2s on the field, it can be easily discarded by Enhanced Hammer, Kartana GX, or any other form of energy disruption, and then once it's discarded it goes to the Lost Zone so you can't even use Special Charge or Gardevoir's GX attack to get it back. If you can meet all the requirements and if your opponent doesn't discard it, then yeah it's good, but it also lets your opponent punish you for using it in the mirror match. Super Boost Energy does nothing to warrant a ban on Gardevoir.

@CrownAxe is right. You can't ignore the trends in the Meta. Gardevoir's usage has plummeted recently. It's still a Tier 1 deck and I expect it to remain that way even when Ultra Prism comes out, but Gardevoir GX isn't centralizing the Meta, which is, in my opinion, the main reason why a card would be banned. It's not forcing players to make the choice of either playing it or losing. Plenty of decks can beat Gardevoir, it's not invincible.
 
As for Salazzle-GX/Garb, there's Field Blower to re-activate abilities after it knocks Garb's tool in the discard...

Meanwhile, Zoroark-GX(SHL) + Mallow(GRI) + Metagross-GX(BSH), + Max Elixir(Dusk Mane Necrozma is a basic)(BKP) + Altar of the Sunne(sorry, Newgaleo, but you're coming late to the party, and until you are released stateside, Altar of the Sunne will have to do as a weakness-negator)(GRI) + Lusamine(to recycle Altar of Sunne that are discarded in any way, whether field blower, other stadiums like scorched earth, brooklet hill, etc.)(CRI)= enough energy for the 1HKO, unless Glaceon-GX(which evolves from Eevee, whose Ability means Glaceon-GX can come into play T1 and since it has a EX+GX ability-negator that doesn't require a tool(but is only effective if it is in the active) and while it is in effect, wonder tags(Lele is a GX) are not possible, as the ability is negated by Freezing Stare) becomes a thing, if only for waterbox decks, in which case Solgaleo-GX can't protect the team from weakness(as he offers ability-based weakness immunity), as it is a Pokemon-GX. On the other hand, Leafeon-GX makes Newgaleo's ability insignificant against Fire decks that utilize the lurantis promo and Leafeon-GX(UPR, approx. set abbreviation, as the set is not officially released in the states yet) to trigger their evolution into Lurantis, meaning fire decks still have a way to get around Newgaleo, especially those that utilize Turtonator-GX and/or Ho-Oh-GX, which both can OHKO w/ a Choice Band attached(3 Lurantis in play), and/or a Belt(3-4 lurantis in play, depending on Turt/Ho-Oh) after Lurantis promo additions, regardless of Newgaleo/Altar presence. Shame that it has to come from a GX attack, but at least that means Hala will be more useful, especially after the time when Sycamore leaves standard(proj. next September).

^ In terms of Gardevoir-GX decks, I can see Leafeon-GX as a starter for GX attack alone, as that will be the play of the fire decks that could be otherwise left in uncertainty clouds post-Newgaleo, as w/ a 2 Turtonator-GX, 2-2 Leafeon-GX, 2-2 Alolan Marowak(recharge Turtonator after Bright Flame) and a 3-3 Lurantis promo build, after T1 Kiawe use, Choice Banded Turtonator-GX could become a Gardevoir-killer that's not affected by Infinity Force OR Newgaleo as much, as they would be both 1HKO'd w/ the sunny day+Band+Bright Flame combo, not to mention that the energy discards form Bright Flame hurt Infinity Force's damage...
 
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cardgjammer said:
As for Salazzle-GX/Garb, there's Field Blower to re-activate abilities after it knocks Garb's tool in the discard...

Meanwhile, Zoroark-GX(SHL) + Mallow(GRI) + Metagross-GX(BSH), + Max Elixir(Dusk Mane Necrozma is a basic)(BKP) + Altar of the Sunne(sorry, Newgaleo, but you're coming late to the party, and until you are released stateside, Altar of the Sunne will have to do as a weakness-negator)(GRI) + Lusamine(to recycle Altar of Sunne that are discarded in any way, whether field blower, other stadiums like scorched earth, brooklet hill, etc.)(CRI)= enough energy for the 1HKO, unless Glaceon-GX(which evolves from Eevee, whose Ability means Glaceon-GX can come into play T1 and since it has a EX+GX ability-negator that doesn't require a tool(but is only effective if it is in the active) and while it is in effect, wonder tags(Lele is a GX) are not possible, as the ability is negated by Freezing Stare) becomes a thing, if only for waterbox decks, in which case Solgaleo-GX can't protect the team from weakness(as he offers ability-based weakness immunity), as it is a Pokemon-GX. On the other hand, Leafeon-GX makes Newgaleo's ability insignificant against Fire decks that utilize the lurantis promo and Leafeon-GX(UPR, approx. set abbreviation, as the set is not officially released in the states yet) to trigger their evolution into Lurantis, meaning fire decks still have a way to get around Newgaleo, especially those that utilize Turtonator-GX and/or Ho-Oh-GX, which both can OHKO w/ a Choice Band attached(3 Lurantis in play), and/or a Belt(3-4 lurantis in play, depending on Turt/Ho-Oh) after Lurantis promo additions, regardless of Newgaleo/Altar presence. Shame that it has to come from a GX attack, but at least that means Hala will be more useful, especially after the time when Sycamore leaves standard(proj. next September).

^ In terms of Gardevoir-GX decks, I can see Leafeon-GX as a starter for GX attack alone, as that will be the play of the fire decks that could be otherwise left in uncertainty clouds post-Newgaleo, as w/ a 2 Turtonator-GX, 2-2 Leafeon-GX, 2-2 Alolan Marowak(recharge Turtonator after Bright Flame) and a 3-3 Lurantis promo build, after T1 Kiawe use, Choice Banded Turtonator-GX could become a Gardevoir-killer that's not affected by Infinity Force OR Newgaleo as much, as they would be both 1HKO'd w/ the sunny day+Band+Bright Flame combo, not to mention that the energy discards form Bright Flame hurt Infinity Force's damage...
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Sure, Field Blower knocks off Garbodor's Float Stone, but that doesn't necessarily matter if I OHKO'd my opponent's Newgaleo the turn before that with a Choice Banded Salazzle. At that point my Garbodor has done it's job and I play four Float Stone to reactive Garbotoxin if needed. I'm not saying it'll be a guaranteed Tier 1 archetype, but there's no question that Metal decks will see a rise in usage once Ultra Prism, and the new Solgaleo a month later, releases. I think it's worth looking at.
 
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