Which is the better sub-seeder? This is mainly help for my team. Jalorda has perserve with leaf storm or eruufun seems to be used more.
Jalorda or eruufun?
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Well, obviously Jaroda is a bteer sweeper, but for Sub-seeding, Erufuun is infinitely better. Michievous Heart, if you didn't know, gives +1 Priority to non-attacking moves, meaning that Substitute, Leech Seed, and Taunt will all almost always go first.
Yes that is why eruufun wins sub-seeder. But if you just used Jalorda as a easy seeder and sweeper you could take down powerful water tanks or healers (Gyarados, Vaporeon etc.)
Erfuun is the bst option. It cant sweep but its not meant to.
Taunt/leech Seed/sub/ any move and its almost guranteed to get its setup in first.
And with speed out of the way it can go
252 Def 252 Sp def 6 HP or Speed.
(Its in my thread)
Jalorda cant do this nearly as well. It wnt go first despite its speed. Even then, it has to wait to power up leafstorm. Then its still not to stunning.
Most pokemon it can take down can take it down faster while jalorda is still leafstorming.
Taunt/leech Seed/sub/ any move and its almost guranteed to get its setup in first.
And with speed out of the way it can go
252 Def 252 Sp def 6 HP or Speed.
(Its in my thread)
Jalorda cant do this nearly as well. It wnt go first despite its speed. Even then, it has to wait to power up leafstorm. Then its still not to stunning.
Most pokemon it can take down can take it down faster while jalorda is still leafstorming.
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It really depends. Both of them have their strong points.
Erufuun has Mischievous Heart, which gives priority to Leech Seed, Substitute, and Taunt, which means that you can beat any Pokemon that isn't Grass-type nor has Magic Guard. As long as your Leech Seed hits while your substitute is up, you will always throw up the sub before they can attack, which means you win. Grass-types really, really make this guy cry.
Jaroda doesn't get priority subseeding, but what he _does_ get--in the Dream World--is the Perversity or whatever ability, which reverses stat changes. So he can fire off Leaf Storms that make him stronger rather than weaker. Throw subseeding into the mix, and you'll have a monster which will destroy your whole team. Got a Grass resist? Jaroda frequently carries HP Fire to take care of them (usually other Grass-types). He trades priority for super speed, and it's imperative you have something that can outspeed and threaten him. You'll most likely lose a Pokemon, but losing one is better than losing six.
If you're not playing Dream World, Jaroda is just your run-of-the-mill subseeder and is not nearly as threatening. If subseeding's all you wanna do, Erufuun is probably your best bet. If you're playing Dream World, give Jaroda a try. He won't disappoint if you play him correctly.
Erufuun has Mischievous Heart, which gives priority to Leech Seed, Substitute, and Taunt, which means that you can beat any Pokemon that isn't Grass-type nor has Magic Guard. As long as your Leech Seed hits while your substitute is up, you will always throw up the sub before they can attack, which means you win. Grass-types really, really make this guy cry.
Jaroda doesn't get priority subseeding, but what he _does_ get--in the Dream World--is the Perversity or whatever ability, which reverses stat changes. So he can fire off Leaf Storms that make him stronger rather than weaker. Throw subseeding into the mix, and you'll have a monster which will destroy your whole team. Got a Grass resist? Jaroda frequently carries HP Fire to take care of them (usually other Grass-types). He trades priority for super speed, and it's imperative you have something that can outspeed and threaten him. You'll most likely lose a Pokemon, but losing one is better than losing six.
If you're not playing Dream World, Jaroda is just your run-of-the-mill subseeder and is not nearly as threatening. If subseeding's all you wanna do, Erufuun is probably your best bet. If you're playing Dream World, give Jaroda a try. He won't disappoint if you play him correctly.
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