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JSM (Jirachi, Shaymin, Mewtwo)

How many energies on mewtwo do you consider fully setup? I thought you meant like get the mewtwo like fully setup.. That makes a lot more since now.

Mora said:
Yes of course. You're the only person who actually uses Mewtwo with {P}. Congrats! :) Still, Regigigas can do 60+ for {C}{C}{C} if you only get one heads, but
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Well, what about mewtwo/gardevoir? Though it may not be as good...it's still mewtwo used with psychic energies.
 
Yeah. That's not as prevalent and probably not tier 1. But it did have that annoying to one shot Mewtwo without the Plus Power.
 
That's a time tornadus would be better to start. :p it would be hard to fully setup mewtwo T1 so maybe use tornadus as your main starter? It works very well. That way there is an attacker which the opponent doesn't take 2 prizes off of if KOd.
 
I concur Regigigas is the one of the worse starts with all of the Terrakion techs. I hate to say it, but if you trade Regigigas for Tornadus, Celebi would almost be a better form of energy acceleration, since it's another energy from your hand, rather than having to discard it and lay down two low HP Pokemon just to get onto a Tornadus. And because you don't have an energy requirement of 4, you can easily get by with a {C}{C} and a {G}. Of course you would lose the {P} for Psydrive, so I could understand keeping the Jirachi/Shaymin engine.
 
Mora said:
I concur Regigigas is the one of the worse starts with all of the Terrakion techs. I hate to say it, but if you trade Regigigas for Tornadus, Celebi would almost be a better form of energy acceleration, since it's another energy from your hand, rather than having to discard it and lay down two low HP Pokemon just to get onto a Tornadus. And because you don't have an energy requirement of 4, you can easily get by with a {C}{C} and a {G}. Of course you would lose the {P} for Psydrive, so I could understand keeping the Jirachi/Shaymin engine.
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dude lol...
jirachi and celebi have the same HP.
there is no difference and jirachi has potential for 3 energy attachment.

T1 i'm telling you guys has been easy for 3 energies.
 
Lol. But your laying down TWO low HP Pokemon, as opposed to ONE whose ability can be used once each turn, rather than hitting the Bench and loosing all usability unless you were to SSU it. And I know you CAN get 3 energies out of Jirachi (not too likely), but without Regigigas, you don't NEED 3 energies out of Jirachi. The additional attachment from Celebi will get you a T1 Hurricane without loading up your Bench with catcher bait (that's just a Celebi compared to Jirachi and Shaymin).
 
rileysill32 said:
dude lol...
jirachi and celebi have the same HP.
there is no difference and jirachi has potential for 3 energy attachment.

T1 i'm telling you guys has been easy for 3 energies.
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50% for 1
25% for 2
12.5 for 3
 
Mora said:
Lol. But your laying down TWO low HP Pokemon, as opposed to ONE whose ability can be used once each turn, rather than hitting the Bench and loosing all usability unless you were to SSU it. And I know you CAN get 3 energies out of Jirachi (not too likely), but without Regigigas, you don't NEED 3 energies out of Jirachi. The additional attachment from Celebi will get you a T1 Hurricane without loading up your Bench with catcher bait (that's just a Celebi compared to Jirachi and Shaymin).
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that is why I run over 6-8 cards (still tampering with that number) to scoop up my pokemon lol.

Infinity said:
50% for 1
25% for 2
12.5 for 3
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those number are close, but I also get to attach for my turn. so i only virtually need 2 energies (1 for Xball) out of jirachi.
 
That's not the point. The point is that Celebi is much more "efficient" than Jirachi/Shaymin. Celebi is one Basic, which means one heads out of a Dual Ball. You don't have the hassle of getting the energies into the discard as you can attach them from your hand. And you can use it each turn without the need of SSU. The numbers above are a little off, but basically you have a 1/8 chance of flipping 3 tails while Celebi possesses a 100% success rate. There are probably some factors I'm missing. The drawback is that you only get one energy. This is okay since all you need to get rolling is a DCE and a {G}, but with Regigigas, you'd need more energy since he doesn't power up the Bench. I'm not trying to say Celebi is the best option, but I am trying to say it's a playable option. I'm suprised your laughing at the thought of Celebi considering it's found its way into CMT (one of the most popular decks along with Zeel) and Jirachi/Shaymin hasn't. I'm not one to play with the meta either, but I certainly wouldn't laugh in its face.
 
Um, you are completely changing the deck.

If you do not like the idea, don't post here!
 
Glaceon said:
Um, you are completely changing the deck.

If you do not like the idea, don't post here!
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I still run the original deck?

Have I ever posted a changed deck list? No.
I changed 1 card in the deck (addition of Rrgigigas) and ended up taking it out.
No need for a warning sir. Thank you.
 
The changes are logically sound. And in reality, I'm only defending the energy engine; the rest of the deck is the same with the same strategy. Like Typhlosion versus Emboar. If it seems I'm trying to change the decklist entirely, understand that I'm only trying to get my point across (which has becoming increasingly difficult as of late). I don't care if my ideas aren't implemented; I just want the reasons behind them to be understood. I even said in a previous post,
Mora said:
I'm not trying to say Celebi is the best option
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, but I do want Celebi to be considered. That's why the decklist was posted; so that through people's opinions, it could be improved. That's why I posted advice.

Oh yeah, and one more thing, I actually love the deck and say so somewhere else. I'm sorry if it seemed like I was bashing the idea, or anything. Didn't want it to come across like that.
 
Mora said:
The changes are logically sound. And in reality, I'm only defending the energy engine; the rest of the deck is the same with the same strategy. Like Typhlosion versus Emboar. If it seems I'm trying to change the decklist entirely, understand that I'm only trying to get my point across (which has becoming increasingly difficult as of late). I don't care if my ideas aren't implemented; I just want the reasons behind them to be understood. I even said in a previous post, , but I do want Celebi to be considered. That's why the decklist was posted; so that through people's opinions, it could be improved. That's why I posted advice.

Oh yeah, and one more thing, I actually love the deck and say so somewhere else. I'm sorry if it seemed like I was bashing the idea, or anything. Didn't want it to come across like that.
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no i know what you were doing lol.
there is no hard feelings, and no offense was ever taken. :p
that's why i posted it, to see what people would say.
 
Likewise, no hard feelings! I'm glad I didn't offend like I inferred from glaceon's post. I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. --Voltaire.

I'd love to offer any other advice you may need, but I fear our civil debate may incur additional warnings :(
 
rileysill32 said:
that ruins the deck completely.
have you seen this deck run at all?
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Yes, I made this deck before you made the thread and I played it for fun on PlayTCG. I play maxed out junk arms and Junipers for discarding rather than hoping for energies w/ Sages. Also, once a Mewtwo gets KOed, hey look more energies in discard. I don't trust engineers cause it discards so little energies and I don't like Sage's because there is a simple chance at getting energies Discarded. I also don't like the fact that you are saying, "that ruins the deck completely." because thats just not letting me express my opinions. Also, Pluspowers are very important because they enable you to donk the magic 130 hp, KO opposing mewtwos without the need to jirachi, shaymin, psydrive just to KO something that is so easy to KO without it. Plus, Pluspower can help get easy KOs and may keep Mewtwo alive for an extra turn. I still advise you to run Tornadus or Regigigas (Tornadus more preferably because it isn't an EX and has resistance to fighting, a pretty popular type.) because without it, you will most likely always lose the Mewtwo War because the only attackers are Mewtwos. I also believe in adding a 4th catcher, because you have the ability to KO nearly anything with Mewtwo.
 
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