Kingdra, still the King of water ? or All washed up?

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Anyways, PGX is a bad idea. Your opponent not only gets to decide on who to LZ, but it also immensely slows down Kingdra. Omaster is also a card that would slow down Kingdra, and Helix Fossil is also locked.

I'd try to add in a few Unown Q/Crobat G. Maybe even a Smeargle for consistency. Unown Q can give your pixies/Smeargle a free retreat, so in case you want to Level Up into Uxie Lv.X without wasting an Energy or use Smeargle's Power, it is easy to retreat. Smeargle lets you use a Supporter in your opponents hand, and can be used if you flip heads on SSU (if you run it), or after Kingdra gets KO'ed. Crobat G just lets you place more damage with Poke Turn.]

Oh, and I also noticed "Without Candy". Rare Candy was reprinted, so you can use it.
 
Thank you for leaving this thread open. Which Set is Rare Candys in BTW? I want to try running The Cro G and Unk Q to Help spread damage and Retreat and swtich. I dont want to run Omastar or Any Uneeded Level X since it will forsure slow me down.
So Right now Im thinking

4-3-4 Kingdra ( 3 la 1 prime since i see LA being a better choice )
2-1 Uxie
2 Crobat G ( only 2 for now Ill see my Hand Draw ratio with him )
2 Pokedrawers ( I will try more see how it works )
Im looking for a sort of Trainer lock ANTI tool its very tough because to use one ID be trying a 1-0-1 Line or something that will most likely need a rare candy which would be counteractive since Im trying to stop Trainers... by using them lol?
 
Rare Candy was reprinted in HearGold/SoulSilver: Unleashed.

dmaster out.
 
Unfortunately, if you're trying to stop Trainer lock, then the best way to stop Trainer lock throughout the game is by using Dialga G Lv.X. Much like Palkia, though, Dialga is a bit of a hassle to setup. In the early game, you could use Regice (LA) to move away any Spiritombs. Another option would be to run a card like Froslass GL (RR) to bring up your opponent's Vileplume and put Vileplume to sleep. Unless they miss the flip, Vileplume won't be able to retreat unless Unown Q is attached or if your opponent has Warp Energy.

As for your list so far, I'd go for two Pokedrawers or no Pokedrawers. Two Drawers just isn't worth it because you won't be able to draw into both Drawer as much, making them kind of wasted space. I'd also look for adding the third Uxie for some extra drawpower, if possible.
 
Oops I meant the Poke thing that picks up G pokemon Ill for sure run 4 Drawers. I ment a Pokemon Sp pick up for each Crobat. I may try the Frosslass Tech to Put things to sleep then have Unkown Q

So Im thinking

4-3-4 King
2-1 Uxie
2 Crobat
2 frosslass RR

Do I get to choose what pokemon I bring out?
 
So Ive after some Play tests Ive gathered a few Notes for anyone whos also Trying to play this deck
> Crobat G can get in the way if you dont use him right, I recommend in mid/late game keep 1 Out just for Active/Bench switches for his 0 cost, but I found my Bench having 2 Crobat Gs and taking up 2 important slots. SO I recommend once you get your use out of them, save a poke turn and use them for Discard Fodder for Kigndra LA. If not they will get in the way greatly

> Same with Azelf he DOES get in the way, SO my suggestion is IF you dont need to DONT azelf because he is a bench warmer, Good for Uxie X or a quick Kingdra but If you can get without using one that turn then dont.

> So since you are mixing Prime with LA kingdra your water to Kingdra ratio has to be balanced, Ive learned that to few can hurt you and leave you Dry but to many drown your deck out. So heres a small chart for your Ratio

LA/Prime
4/0 14
3/1 12
2/1 10
3/1 10
0/4 10

You generally Dont want to go below 10 Energy, But if you have 3 or More LA kingdra then I suggest 12-14 TO compensate for his Energy Costs.

Just a few notes from play tests. Any and ALL thoughts are appreciated.
 
I play 4-3-4, 2 LA, 2 Prime. I'm currently playing 8 Energy and I'm finding that it works really well.

I find that Poké Drawer+ is a 'Play 4 or don't play it' kind of card. I currently play it as it combos well with Junk Arm.
 
Well I like Spreading lots of damage to the Bench and 10 Water enegy in the discard mean a Free 100 Attack for Kingdra la. I rather use Kingdra LA honestly then Prime, Prime seems like an okay card on the bench. My main focus is hit the Active and Spread to my next target.
 
Well the unleashed kingdra i dont mean the prime is very good it can do eighty damage while returning a energy card attached to kingdra to your hand. I like it better than the La kingdra.
 
^pliskin, I'd rather do an attack that can do 60 damage for one Energy than do an attack that requires 3 Energy to do 80 damage. It's much faster, and by the time you get 80 damage going, I could have probably KO'ed my opponent. There is no point in running DCE in Kingdra either, since the deck only needs Water Energy.
 
The La kingdra hase problems because it dosent have clay doll. And they may have a fire pokemon so kingdra prime wouldnt do much damage.

And i think attaching energy cards wouldnt be a problem. You can do thirty one turn and do eighty the next turn if you attach a dce.
 
I said that why would you run DCE in Kingdra? It only works on one Pokemon and cuts down the deck's consistency.

Claydol has no effect on Kingdra LA. It doesn't exactly change just doing Horsea-Energy-Candy-Kingdra and discarding two cards from your hand. Remember, you also have cards like Uxie or PONT to refresh your hand when necessary.

For Kingdra UL, it's a bad card. I stated why someone would not attach DCE, and doing 30 to any Pokemon is worse than doing 60 to the active and 20 to the Bench.
 
Well today i happen to be playing aginst a kingdra deck and he had a lot of problems with the La kingdra he really didnt want to discard any cards from his hand.

He tryed to avoid useing the La kingdra and he was asking me if i wanted trade any kingdra prime.

Dce is good in any deck that goes well with the double collerless energy.

At the beging of the game you can attach a water energy to horsea then the next turn attach a dce then use rare candy to kingdra and then do eighty.
 
Kingdra should always have some card that can be discarded. Whether it's some Trainer, Stadium, Pokemon, or even Supporter, Kingdra can easily discard.

And DCE will only be used on Kingdra UL. That means that you are only going to use probably one or two spaces for DCE. The odds of you drawing into DCE aren't very high if that's the case, and it would also force you to cut down on either Basic Water Energy or some Trainers, Supporters, or Stadiums. Really, it just isn't worth the space.
 
Well i would recomend putting in three dce and eight water energy for the unleashed kingdra while also putting in energy exchange.

And remeber you can still use kingdra prime to do a quick sixty with out the dce and the La kingdra will be rotating out of standered in months to come.
 
K I dont want to sound like a dick here but most of you sound Uninformed ( except Gliscor which has Valid Points )
1. DCE is Garbage in this Deck if anything I rather have a Rainbow if you MUST have a special Energy.
2. The Only Kingdra worth Using is honestly LA, Prime is only good because of his Poke-Power and His Attack but LA should be your MAIN KINGDRA
3. Kingdra Does not need Claydol, He needs Recovery more now, Poke Recovery is to slow in Most situations unless played well, but there are some supporters out there that have Recover ( Side Note You NEVER NEED Energy Recovery Because of Kigndras Attack already so WHAT YOUR MAIN FOCUS should be is Getting Possibly Horseas,Seadras,Kingdras an Maybe Uxie or Crobat G back and Re use them )
4. You will almost ALWAYS have 2 things happen while you play, First Your gonna Discard cards you need from your hand for that Extra damage, Ive discarded A few Trainers and Pokemon to GO for that 60main/20bench, second your Bench will almost ALWAYS be 3+ pokemon, that's just how this Deck works.

My Current Pokemon Build ( Trainers Subject to what you want but heres the main lines )
4-3-4 Kingdra ( no LA yet Havent Gotten one Ill try it here and there )
2-1 Uxie
2 Frosslass ( The SP one, If its not used an Opener then its Discard Fodder )
2 Crobat G
1 Azelf

SO far my Pokemon line works Its just Im working on a definite Trainer/Supporter/Stadium Line.
 
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