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I have noticed the insane popularity of Kyurem recently. Could anyone tell me what decks it is used in? What decks is it effective in? What is the best deck with Kyurem in it? I have 2 and want to play them. Thanks!

By the way, here are my ideas so far:
CaKE/CoKe
google (as an outrage tech, dont really care about this)
 
That's basically it. It's used in CaKE, and that's definitely the best use for it. It's also used in Feraligatr decks. Feraligatr/Kyurem/Vileplume is pretty darn good, and I posted a list in an article I wrote about a month ago. It's also used as an Outrage tech in DD.
 
What is CaKE? I've heard of it, but never have I been told what it means.
 
Speed spread in CaKE is one of the best uses. There are other decks like Kyugatr, though, which although aren't as fast, they tend to be more reliable and work better with the whole "spreading" idea.
 
Celebi23 said:
It's Kyurem/Cobalion/Electrode.
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Oh. Well, I built one of these for a friend a couple days ago. I just ran it with Kyurem/Electrode with a Shaymin and a Jirachi for devolving for prizes and a couple Basculin to do heavy direct damage. I feel that that is the most solid way to play it. Although, you could also pair it with Kingdra Prime and Electrode for meeting numbers that aren't multiples of thirty.
 
Actually, Cobalion is supposed to be the main attacker in that deck, and Kyurem as a tech for fire decks. I personally feel that Kyurem alone can't beat Reshiram and I think SEL may fit better in that deck, but then it isn't a Kyurem deck anymore.
 
Dark Void said:
Actually, Cobalion is supposed to be the main attacker in that deck, and Kyurem as a tech for fire decks. I personally feel that Kyurem alone can't beat Reshiram and I think SEL may fit better in that deck, but then it isn't a Kyurem deck anymore.
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It's interesting that you mention that. Most CaKE players I've spoken to say that Cobalion is better regulated as a tech and that the deck should be opening Kyurem.
 
Well, it was originated by a Japanese player (can't remember the name off of my head) who ran 3-4 Cobalion I believe but only 1 Kyurem. The reason Kyurem is more of a focus here is because of Reshiphlosions's popularity, but I feel that Kyurem won't come out on top of Reshiram because Reshiram OHKOs Kyurems with a PlusPower while Kyurem only 2HKOs active Reshirams and 5HKOs benched Typhlosions and Reshirams assuming no Afterburner damage. This means that unless Kyurem starts attacking turn 2 and Reshiphlosion can't attack/draw a PlusPower for a while, CaKE can run out of Kyurem/energy before winning. This is why I feel that Kyurem alone, with no Vileplume or reliable energy acceleration (Electrode's reliability isn't too good since it is very luck based) doesn't beat Reshiphlosion reliably enough, and that why something like SEL is probably better with Electrode and Cobalion (it also works way better against Durant, and with Electrode blowing up the top 7 cards of your deck Durant is a really tough matchups that Kyurem does very little aganst).
 
I got T8 at Cities using CKE with a heavy Terrakion tech. It's a fantastic deck. Honestly, whoever says CKE cannot beat Reshiphlosion has not tested the matchup. The deck, IMO, should be more focused on Kyurem and have Cobalion is a 1-3 copy tech. The T2 spread is devastating.
 
Dark Void said:
Actually, Cobalion is supposed to be the main attacker in that deck, and Kyurem as a tech for fire decks. I personally feel that Kyurem alone can't beat Reshiram and I think SEL may fit better in that deck, but then it isn't a Kyurem deck anymore.
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Kyurem is a better card, though. Most players in the U.S. use that as the main attacker, and Cobalion as backup. I run 4 Kyurem in mine.

Dark Void said:
Well, it was originated by a Japanese player (can't remember the name off of my head) who ran 3-4 Cobalion I believe but only 1 Kyurem. The reason Kyurem is more of a focus here is because of Reshiphlosions's popularity, but I feel that Kyurem won't come out on top of Reshiram because Reshiram OHKOs Kyurems with a PlusPower while Kyurem only 2HKOs active Reshirams and 5HKOs benched Typhlosions and Reshirams assuming no Afterburner damage. This means that unless Kyurem starts attacking turn 2 and Reshiphlosion can't attack/draw a PlusPower for a while, CaKE can run out of Kyurem/energy before winning. This is why I feel that Kyurem alone, with no Vileplume or reliable energy acceleration (Electrode's reliability isn't too good since it is very luck based) doesn't beat Reshiphlosion reliably enough, and that why something like SEL is probably better with Electrode and Cobalion (it also works way better against Durant, and with Electrode blowing up the top 7 cards of your deck Durant is a really tough matchups that Kyurem does very little aganst).
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If you don't run Kyurem, how are you going to beat Reshiram? With Cobalion? T_T You use a lot of Eviolite to put yourself out of their OHKO range, and KOs on benched Cyndaquil, Quilava, and Ninetales shouldn't be overlooked. Most good CaKE run Jirachi to speed up the Typhlosion KOs anyway. It's a bad matchup for it, sure, but it's not like Kyurem is a bad card.
 
I was saying to use SEL in my previous post and thought that was implied when I argued against Kyurem. I guess in the end its two different decks, one focuses on spreading with Kyurem and killing dangerous attackers faster with Cobalion, which Cob/SEL is just getting KOs.
 
Dark Void said:
I was saying to use SEL in my previous post and thought that was implied when I argued against Kyurem. I guess in the end its two different decks, one focuses on spreading with Kyurem and killing dangerous attackers faster with Cobalion, which Cob/SEL is just getting KOs.
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I feel like SEL is too hard to get out, and you risk going down too many prizes by using it. If they can OHKO it with Zekrom or Magnezone (the two most popular attackers in the format), they take two prizes off of it, plus what is usually two prizes off of Energymite. Already, they're at four prizes. That's rough.

An Eviolited Kyurem also maintains the 2 KO's (or setup of more KOs) for 1 rate, but it doesn't give up two prizes after the knock out. Also, with Electrode, it's really easy to discard an SEL piece or two, and only having one SEL isn't enough to last you the whole game against a swarm of 120-hitters.
 
Why does nobody mention Basculin for CaKE's ReshiPhlosion matchup? I played a pair of Basculin in a rogue I took to Regionals that already ran DCE's and Water energy, and I didn't lose to Reshiphlosion until the Judges took my Basculins away in Top Cut. :headbang
 
All Basculin can do is maintain an even prize exchange against it, but it takes two turns to charge up compared to Reshiram's one. If you use Electrode, you start to lose the prize exchange. Not to mention what happens to the prize exchange if you get double tails. Nobody tell me about Victini. That's a completely different deck.
 
I always used it early-game if I could, or as a threat from the bench, which really puts the pressure on. But it's amazing early game. I believe one game at Regionals against ReshiPhlosion I took four prizes because I got Basculin out T2 and did 160 repeatedly.
 
Futachimaru said:
I got T8 at Cities using CKE with a heavy Terrakion tech. It's a fantastic deck. Honestly, whoever says CKE cannot beat Reshiphlosion has not tested the matchup. The deck, IMO, should be more focused on Kyurem and have Cobalion is a 1-3 copy tech. The T2 spread is devastating.
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The only reason why Terrakion is a bad tech is due to having to start with it on T1, 4 retreat with no Switch? Sounds pretty bad especially If your Opponent has a solid T1 start. That's why I run Cleffa in my CaKE deck but I think Shaymin UL for Celebration Wind is the better tech to run over Cleffa cause you have a way to transfer energies after you Energymite with the Trode. Maybe run 1 of each I suppose.

I run 4 Cobalion NV and 3 Kyurem NV in my list. Against Reshiphlosion/TyRam, Kyurem is going to be your main attacker cause Cobalion just flat out loses to Reshiram and Typhlosion due to Type Disadvantage plus you're probably going to be using Glaciate most of the time with Kyurem anyway, Outrage is usually a last resort attack. If Reshiram is their Active just Glaciate for 60 to it and bench spread for 30 on the rest of their bench.

Celebi23 said:
If you don't run Kyurem, how are you going to beat Reshiram? With Cobalion? T_T You use a lot of Eviolite to put yourself out of their OHKO range, and KOs on benched Cyndaquil, Quilava, and Ninetales shouldn't be overlooked. Most good CaKE run Jirachi to speed up the Typhlosion KOs anyway. It's a bad matchup for it, sure, but it's not like Kyurem is a bad card.
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I did test Jirachi in my CaKE deck and the problem with utilizing Time Hollow is the timing, plus Jirachi is also Catcher bait in the deck. It's also a bad Pokemon to start the game off with so you're better off with Cleffa to promote a Pokemon on the bench to bring out and still fix your hand with drawpower early game. If you do run Cleffa in CaKE don't ever play it on the bench mid to late game you'll regret it cause Chandelure, Tyrogue, and opposing Kyurem says hi.

The trick with using Electrode Prime for Energymite is you want to get it off by early to mid game ASAP, otherwise If they are in a Prize lead by mid to late game you're probably going to be entering your scoop phase very soon. Out of my testing with CaKE thus far it has favorable matchups against ZPST, TyRam, among other decks. I see why Terrakion is needed in the deck for against Magnezone and the problem is that Switch will be a dead card in hand sometimes.

Rikko145 said:
I always used it early-game if I could, or as a threat from the bench, which really puts the pressure on. But it's amazing early game. I believe one game at Regionals against ReshiPhlosion I took four prizes because I got Basculin out T2 and did 160 repeatedly.
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Wait let me guess, Basculin is ran as a tech in CaKE due to Flail? You do realize you need to make sure your Opponent is only going to be doing at least 60 damage to it so that you can Flail before they Revenge KO it right? Final Gambit would make more sense If you're running Fliptini but then again it's not worth it most of the time.
 
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