There's no need to be rude. Homophobia is as natural as homosexuality is, except that homophobia CAN be overcome and in my opinion, like any phobia, should be.So you'll come in here and shove your ideals down our throats? Good to know.
There's no need to be rude. Homophobia is as natural as homosexuality is, except that homophobia CAN be overcome and in my opinion, like any phobia, should be.So you'll come in here and shove your ideals down our throats? Good to know.
That's a very shallow way to look at my post, nitpicking through it and quoting parts of it without taking note of the rest. And I don't quite see what you mean by that anyhow, this is a public forum open to discussion, I even asked for your opinion on the subject, nice to see that you are respectful of my opinion.So you'll come in here and shove your ideals down our throats? Good to know.
Marriage has been tied together as a Religious ceremony of joining two persons together for thousands of years, true that is changing.1) Marriage is not a religious thing. Thus no one should be denied the right to marry based on religion.
2) You typed that post up as if homosexuality is a conscious decision people make. This is a widespread fallacy throughout America (and basically nowhere else, may I add) but it's really not; it's completely natural, just like heterosexuality is natural for you.
3) I completely agree that they don't deserve special treatment. However, churches don't deny marriage to straight couples without VERY good reason, and if they have the same reasons for a gay couple they should also be able to deny marriage to them. However, homosexuality is not a good enough reason to deny marriage to someone -- that is giving heteros special treatment, and what everyone wants (or should want) is equality.
Fine, fine, perhaps I was a bit hostile. Just caught me off-guard that this is a thread that's supposed to be full of support and positivity and here you are claiming that your rights as being thrown away because the world is being progressive and more accepting of others. If progressive ideals didn't go through, then women wouldn't be able to vote, blacks wouldn't have rights, and chances are America would still be a part of Great Britain.That's a very shallow way to look at my post, nitpicking through it and quoting parts of it without taking note of the rest. And I don't quite see what you mean by that anyhow, this is a public forum open to discussion, I even asked for your opinion on the subject, nice to see that you are respectful of my opinion.
While this is true, it's changing back to how it originally was. Marriage in itself isn't at all a religious ceremony and is instead a secular rite of passage. Because it was a part of culture when these religions were founded they adapted the ritual to suit their needs.Marriage has been tied together as a Religious ceremony of joining two persons together for thousands of years, true that is changing.
Should people with dark skin complexions be allowed to marry then? The church was against that for thousands of years too.You also assumed what I believe based on words I used, such as "idea". Agreed I could have worded the second sentence differently but don't let that be the center of discussion. Say a organization for thousands of years had rules based on their beliefs, and a percentage of the population wanted it to change, they shouldn't have to change their beliefs and rules to better suit the rest of the populace. Don't take that for granted as it doesn't work with a lot of things, but in the current situation of religion it does.
You didn't say that you dislike homosexuals, true, but you did say that you dislike homosexuality. Thus you are homophobic, though not to the degree of other people who actually go out and injure gays based on something which isn't even a choice of their's.I already said I don't dislike or prejudice homosexuals, saying I have homophobia is incorrect at the least.
While this is true, it's changing back to how it originally was. Marriage in itself isn't at all a religious ceremony and is instead a secular rite of passage. Because it was a part of culture when these religions were founded they adapted the ritual to suit their needs.
Should people with dark skin complexions be allowed to marry then? The church was against that for thousands of years too.
Also, Christianity isn't -- or at least shouldn't be -- against homosexuality. This is also an extremely widespread fallacy. This thread had a lot of discussion on the matter, but I think that this post of mine in particular gives enough evidence to show that The Bible actually supports homosexuality. There are many more points raised in the rest of the thread if you have time to read through it, though.
I agree that religions shouldn't have to change stalwart teachings to better suit the populace, however, as bad as this is, I must say that in general I don't include Christianity in the "protected" religions. They already cherry pick teachings based on what the populace in general is feeling about a certain subject (again bringing up my earlier example of dark-skinned people now being allowed to be Christian higher-ups) and even some teachings are just chosen as untrue for convenience's sake with no explanation given. For example, did you know that bowl hair cuts, and shaving in general is against The Bible? Anyone without testicles -- including women -- is banned from going to church? Of course, those were teachings in the old testament, which Jesus disregarded. You know what else was one of those teachings? That homosexuality is wrong. This is what I mean by Christianity cherry picking what teachings they choose to believe in, and as such they should change their ideals to suit the rest of the populace 100% of the time since they do it already. Religions such as Islam which are a lot stricter should not be forced to do it.
You didn't say that you dislike homosexuals, true, but you did say that you dislike homosexuality. Thus you are homophobic, though not to the degree of other people who actually go out and injure gays based on something which isn't even a choice of their's.
I don't agree with the idea of Homosexuality, not trying to start a flame war, but that being said, they don't deserve special treatment, now this is a sensitive topic however if a church does not want to marry a gay or lesbian couple they should not have to. I could care less what people do alone or with others but when it starts attacking my church I get annoyed. I don't hate gays, I simply don't agree with the idea and don't want people to shove it down my throat. I'd love to hear some feedback on this, I.E. do you think this is right looking from another person's standpoint.
Why don't asexuals get any love? The A always seems to be left out at the end.
I don't agree with the idea of Homosexuality, not trying to start a flame war, but that being said, they don't deserve special treatment, now this is a sensitive topic however if a church does not want to marry a gay or lesbian couple they should not have to. I could care less what people do alone or with others but when it starts attacking my church I get annoyed. I don't hate gays, I simply don't agree with the idea and don't want people to shove it down my throat. I'd love to hear some feedback on this, I.E. do you think this is right looking from another person's standpoint.
I don't agree with the idea of Homosexuality, not trying to start a flame war, but that being said, they don't deserve special treatment, now this is a sensitive topic however if a church does not want to marry a gay or lesbian couple they should not have to. I could care less what people do alone or with others but when it starts attacking my church I get annoyed. I don't hate gays, I simply don't agree with the idea and don't want people to shove it down my throat. I'd love to hear some feedback on this, I.E. do you think this is right looking from another person's standpoint.
While this is an ideal world, it's also an impossible world.The thing is no group of people should be able to take the rights away from anyone, no matter what group or religion they belong to. This is like saying the religious can't build churches on public land because not all people are of the religion.
While I agree they dont deserve special treatment, I do feel it should be at least mentioned because people still have a issue with this. Remember that slavery and discrimination was not too long ago and people did not like the idea of blacks being free.
I want homosexual to be like being straight, where no one thinks twice about it or even care, like most people don't care about seeing a black guy walking down the street. This is a old mindset that needs to die off.
I mean, we all live on this rocks moving fast through space that can go away at the blink of an eye in the history of the universe and it not even care about it. The one thing we can at least do is get along.
Talk about a cowardly cop-out. You say you regret posting here but I really do doubt that. You know what I think? I think you didn't want there to be a support group for LGBT people without at least one person spreading their homophobia - because, to you, it doesn't matter if you continually pest them - it only matters to you if the concept of homophobia and discrimination EXISTS at least in some miniscule form in that topic as a means to comfort you. I think you posted here as a reminder to LGBT people that there are people out there that hate them.That being said let's not continue this discussion anymore, it is just leading to more bickering. I shouldn't have brought it up in the first place.