Life and Death

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#1weavile

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We live our lives. As children we go to school for 14 years. Pre-K - 12th grade. As young adults we go to college. As adults we work most of our lives for money. Later in life, we retire. Then, we die.

We worry about what happens in our lifetime and never about what happens afterward. (I don't speak for everybody)

When we die, some think we are brought back to life, some think our souls are put to rest, some think we go the heaven or hell, some think we are gone forever.

What do you think what happens when you die?
Why do we spend our entire lives worrying about things that are "time wasting" such as working for paper. If I were to die right now, the outcome would be the same as if I died 50 years from now or 5 minutes from now, etc. Why worry about bettering this lifetime if we are going to die anyway?

NOTE: I'm not pessimistic about life, I just think about things differently ;)
 
Well,remember, having fun is a reason for life.As for Death, you go to heaven or heck.It's been proved.Really if you don't think Heaven or Heck is real you probubly aren't in the chirstren religeon.Not to offend anyone.Thats all i'm gonna say to avoid going further.
 
When I die... I will end up a few feet below the surface and small organisms will slowly digest me.

palkia dialga clash said:
Well,remember, having fun is a reason for life.As for Death, you go to heaven or heck.It's been proved.Really if you don't think Heaven or Heck is real you probubly aren't in the chirstren religeon.Not to offend anyone.Thats all i'm gonna say to avoid going further.
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It is proven?! Give me any valuable proof or evidence a thing such as heaven of hell does exist.

True, I'm not a Christian, I'm an Atheist. And trust me, I'm not offended, you only make yourself look silly with that statement.

I hope you will respond, even though you mentioned you won't, making statements without explanation and even without responding is not the way discussion are made.
 
Whenever I think about stuff like this it makes me sad for some odd reason. No more comments from me.
 
My theory on death actually follows a scientific principle: energy is neither created nor destroyed. I believe that, when we die, our bodies decompose, and our atoms become something else, be it plants, water, animals, maybe even part of another human, perhaps. If this is true, do we really die? Or is death simply an illusion, merely a transformation process?

I have heard that when people die, there is always a difference of 0.7 grams between there weight in life and weight in death, or something close to that number (I don't know the specifics of it). This could be the soul evaporating. Perhaps, if this is true, the soul simply ends; or maybe it reincarnates into another life-form. I don't think we can know the answer in even a million more lifetimes.
 
Okay I'll comment. What you just said totally puzzled me. Can you state it in a way I understand?://///
 
Well, really It depends if think god Is Real the Holy marry/jesus..you know the story.Also,can you give me proof that it DOSE NOT exist?Heres the best proof I can come up with:Well,how did we really come up with Heaven and Heck if tehy don't exist.Whats with all the religeon?If you think the Bible tells the truth.Noahs Ark ect is proof.Its even says God told Noah that he had to save everyone from the flood(without getting you know..in the tehcs of it).Heres a link of Noahs ark found: http://www.mexicobeachcwc.com/NoahsArkfound.html The bible stated it was there....I just hope i DON'T get banned for this :O
 
Just about every culture has a different idea about what happens after death. Whether it's Heaven or Hel (Norse goddess of the underworld mind you), there was always a different theory. But most seem to agree that there's a place where good people go, and a place where bad people go.

Me? I have no clue what to think. We agnostics have a problem with that.

And honestly I think a lot of people fear death because they don't know what happens after. We have absolutely no way to go beyond the grave and see what it's like. As some people say, dead men tell no tales.
 
PokeChamp said:
When people die, there is always a difference of 0.7 grams between there weight in life and weight in death, or something close to that number (I don't know the specifics of it). This could be the soul evaporating. Perhaps this soul simply ends; maybe it reincarnates into another life-form. I don't think we can know the answer in even a million more lifetimes.
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Eh, can you provide a source to back that statement up? I hear people talk about this quite often, but they never include any credible evidence to go with it.

At the OP:


#1weavile said:
What do you think what happens when you die?
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That's more or less just stating your religious views, so I don't think much can be said here.

#1weavile said:
Why do we spend our entire lives worrying about things that are "time wasting" such as working for paper. If I were to die right now, the outcome would be the same as if I died 50 years from now or 5 minutes from now, etc. Why worry about bettering this lifetime if we are going to die anyway?
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Well, if you don't work for that paper, your existence is likely going to be more miserable as a result.

Yes all people die eventually, but it's what happens in between that matters. Much more happens in a period of 50 years than it does in 5 minutes, so the "outcome" is not strictly the same. We better our lives because it feels good to do so, regardless of whether there is or is not an afterlife.
 
bacon said:
Eh, can you provide a source to back that statement up? I hear people talk about this quite often, but they never include any credible evidence to go with it.
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I'm afraid I actually don't have a source. I suppose that makes that last point null and void. Anyway, I, too, have heard that from many people, and as such I have taken it for granted. But now that you mention it, it is highly likely that it is false.
 
I agree that if you don't do something with your life that you will be miserable. There is no "right" answer here, it's just stating what you think. I like the way you think.
 
PokeChamp said:
My theory on death actually follows a scientific principle: energy is neither created nor destroyed. I believe that, when we die, our bodies decompose, and our atoms become something else, be it plants, water, animals, maybe even part of another human, perhaps. If this is true, do we really die? Or is death simply an illusion, merely a transformation process?
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There's no such thing as "your atoms", your body is a temporary arrangement of atoms (and thus energy) which is constantly being recreated, pretty much none of the atoms in your body are the ones which were in your body a few years ago. Which I guess makes life "merely a transformation process".

Anyhow, I think it's wishful thinking to believe in an afterlife. Death isn't fun, and I'd love to stick around for a few hundred years to see all the advances in science, technology, and so on, but oh well, I guess the next few decades (hopefully) will have to do. And what will happen after I die? I'll probably be turned into a pile of ash, and honestly don't care what they do with me after that, there's nothing special about that pile of ash anyways.

Seriously, enjoy life while you still can, don't worry about an afterlife, because you'll probably be wasting the only life you're certain exists.

And palkia dialga clash, Noah's ark is impossible in terms of physics (no boat can hold the weight), biology (completely contradicts everything we see in nature, from the spread of populations to genetics to fossils to everything), geology (no existence of a flood layer, fossil record again), and pretty much any other natural science you can think of. Finding a rather small boat compared to what it was supposed to transport is not at all evidence for it...
 
Heavenly Spoon :F said:
And palkia dialga clash, Noah's ark is impossible in terms of physics (no boat can hold the weight), biology (completely contradicts everything we see in nature, from the spread of populations to genetics to fossils to everything), geology (no existence of a flood layer, fossil record again), and pretty much any other natural science you can think of. Finding a rather small boat compared to what it was supposed to transport is not at all evidence for it...
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Careful Spoon, dem christians will tell you that God's power kept the boat afloat. :O
 
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Careful Spoon, dem christians will tell you that God's power kept the boat afloat. :O
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I'm a rational thinker Ganon; I don't really believe in 'cop-outs'. =D

I'm going to respond to Spoon's point and say the following things:

Flood layer? What on earth could you possibly be talking about? There wouldn't be a 'flood layer'; there'd be more of a global mudslide. (Or mudshift. Whatever have you. But it would not be a layer, that I know.)

How could physics make it impossible? Remember, the main point of the ark was to stay afloat, not to go anywhere. The Ark was 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high, and it had 3 lower decks. It was built to support a family of 8 and two of every kind (not species) of unclean animals, and seven of each of the clean ones. (By unclean and clean, I refer to that which is referred to as unclean and clean in the Jewish dietary laws.)

Noah's Ark actually has been found in a mountain range in Turkey. Whether or not you believe it's Noah's Ark is another story, but what other object could possibly be that huge? In addition, there are many cultures whose long histories involve the story of a worldwide flood, so the Flood did actually happen.

@PokeChamp: I don't know if the soul actually has a weight. I have heard that many places too (the example I see is that bodies in morgues weigh slightly less when the people die), but I also cannot find anything seriously to back that up. However, that could simply be the difference between living vs. d3ad (i.e. a living human's body is still functioning and can to an extent support itself and exert less weight, whereas a d3ad body has lost that support, leaving its weight open to the full extent of gravity).

More to the point on the actual topic itself: Because I am a Christian, I believe that, once you die, you will either go to Heaven or He|| based on whether or not you accepted Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. I also believe that life itself is uncertain in its duration, and as such needs to be lived as such. (In layman's terms: you could theoretically die at any moment, so make the most of your time.) That isn't to say that I worry so much about what happens beyond the grave that I don't focus on the here and now; indeed I do focus on the present, but also plan for the eventual future.

(I am not trying to divert the topic in any way; I am simply stating my opinion on the matter. Also, the reason why those words have a 3 in them is because I'm working right now on this weird library comp with a stupid auto-censor system. >.<)
 
Everyone and everything dies eventually, but you simply can't think like that or it will drive you mad. I'm Christian and I think there is an afterlife. Whether you agree or disagree is up to you, but I would rather believe there is an afterlife rather than "you just die and rot in the ground while parasites feast on your corpse."

If I thought like that, I would be one depressed individual to be honest.
 
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How could physics make it impossible? Remember, the main point of the ark was to stay afloat, not to go anywhere. The Ark was 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high, and it had 3 lower decks. It was built to support a family of 8 and two of every kind (not species) of unclean animals, and seven of each of the clean ones. (By unclean and clean, I refer to that which is referred to as unclean and clean in the Jewish dietary laws.)
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It defies physics because no boat can hold that kind of weight. Especially if it's made out of wood. I should know, I've sampled some of the physics of boats.
 
When you guys die, you become part of my life force. Someday I will build a new universe and the souls of virtuous will spend an eternity in bliss. Bad people and Gale will spend that same eternity in an empty void and will be forced to listen to "Macarena" until the end of existence.
 
oh weavile #1 and your philosophical thread's, isn't our belief's on living a hypocrite on itself? and isn't living by these current standards of life rather boring? I find that our multiple society's contradict what they believe and what they say on a daily basis without even realizing it, it say's it understands a situation it has no knowledge of, and defeat's itself and topples under it's own weight and problem's that it cannot deal with. if you were to compare the "world" the we created for ourselves to a person as of this moment, that person would be in a 50 year coma with no sign's or recovery at it's current rate.cya

P.S. life is how you make it even if thing's look slim
 
actually its a generic anti-conformist statement or something similar to what an anarchist might say. bashing the society, but there just thought's not necessarily mine.

atheist's are just like all people of a religion they need a name to tell them apart from the crowd but to want to have something to believe in, you do believe your an atheist same thing as believing your of an organized religion except less organized, I personally don't think life death or any other belief is worthy of explaining existence, we just live and make it the way we can aka "we create our own path in life" weather it would be an atheist statement or not lose your title's and figure out what you want to create. we all die, but we live now so make something of it, like some food *drools*. cya
 
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