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Standard Looking for Post Rotation Deck

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I've been viewing different deck garage threads and none have been truly interesting to me. A side note is I have no Tapu Lele and no money in which to be able to purchase even one. I have been looking at Metagross decks, just because Gardevoir is a thing, but can anyone help me figure something out?

I've been looking at like stated previously Metagross, here's a few others.

- Garde
- Golisopod
- Darkrai GX
- Alolan Muk

I don't have any specific budget persay, i do though, like something under 60 for the Pokemon, (Because i have a lot of staples, for supporters on that note.)
 
That's what a friend of mine is going to run post rotation so I considered it myself.
 
Drampa/ Garb? Garbotoxin is super good and shuts down literally every deck you listed except Golisopod. And if it's the Zoroark variant, well guess what? It gets shut down. Golisopod is really good, and if you DO play it, play it with Weavile. 2HKO-ing Ninetales having free retreat, and taking a hell of a lot of prizes is really good.
 
Thanks for the advice Gumball! I'll definetely take your advice, just one thing, can Drampa Garb even be played without Lele? Because i dont have a Lele, or the money to get one as stated. Excuse me if i'm wrong, but theres a good chunk of supporters you need to grab for drampa garb to be viable in that case?

I'll keep that deck in my file anyways.
 
Tapu Koko GX. It abuses Acerola and Scoop Up, it's easy and cheap to make, it's the good kind of rogue, and it's fun.
I also think a Marshadow deck (Shadowbox) would be fun, and I think a spread deck (Necrozma, Koko Promo, Espeon EX, etc) would be cool to.
 
Those are definitely, some interesting rouges! I like the sound of Marshadow box, but the viability of it would be kinda, well, well it'll depend come this rotation XD.
I'll add all of those to my file see what I can do.

Now at the very same time, while I like a cheesy rouge, something a little more competitive would be nice, not trying to sound needy, or whiny.
Although I know anything competitive, (or most) need Lele, and I just can't afford any.
 
I think in the immediate post rotation Gardevoir is hands down the best deck, its bad matchups are against less consistent decks. Metagross is good only in a meta with a lot of Gardevoir, I don't think it matches up that favorably against any Garb variant except pure Garb/Drampa.

Garb/Goli, Garb/Espeon and Garb/Drampa are also all really good decks. Zoroark/Drampa fell off a bit but I still think it's pretty good. I've even messed with a Zoro/Garb/Drampa deck but it's a little clunkier than I'd like it to be.

Garb is so good because it's both an attacker and gives you the trubbishes for the Garbotoxin variant which is currently the only good way to deal with all abilities. Muk will shut off Volcanion, Giratina shuts off Greninja, but only Garb shuts off Garde, Metagross, plus the others. With thick tool lines you will outlast their field blowers nine times out of ten.

Greninja is still good though it's clunkier than it was, which is kind of bad because that was already the biggest problem with the deck. Volcanion has a lot of interesting options post-rotation too, it didn't really see the light of day at worlds but I think it's better than its showing gave it credit for.
 
I've been viewing different deck garage threads and none have been truly interesting to me. A side note is I have no Tapu Lele and no money in which to be able to purchase even one. I have been looking at Metagross decks, just because Gardevoir is a thing, but can anyone help me figure something out?

I've been looking at like stated previously Metagross, here's a few others.

- Garde
- Golisopod
- Darkrai GX
- Alolan Muk

I don't have any specific budget persay, i do though, like something under 60 for the Pokemon, (Because i have a lot of staples, for supporters on that note.)
When it comes to post-rotation decks you have plenty of options, but when it comes to decks without Lele there isn't much. I would say you have the ability to use almost every deck you want in the meta if you can get at least 1 Lele, but going without a single one is tough. Here are my thoughts on possible decks and the ones you have chosen:

Gardevoir- You said you didn't want to spend above $60 on Pokémon in your deck, and that simply isn't posssile with Gardevoir. Not only was it an expensive card before worlds, but then after it won worlds the price rose and that's a trend I believe will continue. Also, Gardevoir will run anywhere from 1-3 Lele, so that creates more problems.

Golisopod- Unless you are planning on building a true Golisopod budget deck, it also runs anywhere from 1-3 Tapu Lele. The Pokémon themselves are also very expensive, because Golisopod is going for about $8 and Zoroark is going for around $10. That being said this is an extremely competitive deck that has a lot of potential post rotation, you are simply gonna have to "pay to play".

Darkrai- All competitive Darkrai decks do indeed run Lele, simple as that. Darkrai is a remotely expensive deck for Pokémon as Drakrai costs about $6 each. On the note of how competitive it is, I don't see it having much potential post rotation. Not only does it's biggest opponents Garbodor become more powerful, but all turbo decks in general suffer from the loss of VS Seeker. I'm not expert on the deck because I have never played it, so I might be wrong.

Alolan Muk- I have heard very people talk about this deck post rotation, so naturally I know very little about it. My best guess would be it costs about an average price, and will be a tier 3 deck next rotation.

Honestly, I would recommend you look into Greninja BREAK as deck to run post-rotation. It appears to fit all your requirments, and I personally love playing it! That being said, in order to play a lot of the decks you want, you are going to have to raise your budget. Good luck!
 
I think Trainer Josh makes a lot of good points. Almost all competitive decks run Tapu Lele, and those decks just aren't as good without it. Tapu Lele helps the consistency of most decks so much. Greninja BREAK is a good budget deck because it doesn't run Lele in the most competitive version. Another deck which is competitive and doesn't run Lele is Quad Sylveon GX. It is also very budget and plays a lot of trainers which you apparently have. The most competitive version doesn't run Lele so you should be good. I hope this helps.
 
When it comes to post-rotation decks you have plenty of options, but when it comes to decks without Lele there isn't much. I would say you have the ability to use almost every deck you want in the meta if you can get at least 1 Lele, but going without a single one is tough. Here are my thoughts on possible decks and the ones you have chosen:

Gardevoir- You said you didn't want to spend above $60 on Pokémon in your deck, and that simply isn't posssile with Gardevoir. Not only was it an expensive card before worlds, but then after it won worlds the price rose and that's a trend I believe will continue. Also, Gardevoir will run anywhere from 1-3 Lele, so that creates more problems.

Golisopod- Unless you are planning on building a true Golisopod budget deck, it also runs anywhere from 1-3 Tapu Lele. The Pokémon themselves are also very expensive, because Golisopod is going for about $8 and Zoroark is going for around $10. That being said this is an extremely competitive deck that has a lot of potential post rotation, you are simply gonna have to "pay to play".

Darkrai- All competitive Darkrai decks do indeed run Lele, simple as that. Darkrai is a remotely expensive deck for Pokémon as Drakrai costs about $6 each. On the note of how competitive it is, I don't see it having much potential post rotation. Not only does it's biggest opponents Garbodor become more powerful, but all turbo decks in general suffer from the loss of VS Seeker. I'm not expert on the deck because I have never played it, so I might be wrong.

Alolan Muk- I have heard very people talk about this deck post rotation, so naturally I know very little about it. My best guess would be it costs about an average price, and will be a tier 3 deck next rotation.

Honestly, I would recommend you look into Greninja BREAK as deck to run post-rotation. It appears to fit all your requirments, and I personally love playing it! That being said, in order to play a lot of the decks you want, you are going to have to raise your budget. Good luck!


Thank you so much! I forgot to mention 60$ was more of a starting point lol, I think i can raise the bar to 85, if nessecary. Greninja BREAK has been on my radar, but coming next rotation with garde, i didn't know, how well Grekkouga (yes, I love the japanese name) did well in matchup against Garde. Another thing i noticed was its weakness to grass, is that a huge deal in a golisopod matchup? I know it could be while setting up, but if I did play a Grekkouga BREAK deck, could I just play 1 or 2 weakness policy in case of a matchup like that, or is it like I said, not a huge deal?
 
I think Trainer Josh makes a lot of good points. Almost all competitive decks run Tapu Lele, and those decks just aren't as good without it. Tapu Lele helps the consistency of most decks so much. Greninja BREAK is a good budget deck because it doesn't run Lele in the most competitive version. Another deck which is competitive and doesn't run Lele is Quad Sylveon GX. It is also very budget and plays a lot of trainers which you apparently have. The most competitive version doesn't run Lele so you should be good. I hope this helps.

Thank you very much! I hadn't really thought about quad sylveon, one thing though, i totally forgot the goal of winning for Sylveon GX, how do you win and what cards does it play? Like i said i have a lot of staple trainers so it shouldn't be a huge deal. if i have to spend an extra buck or two oh well.
 
Thank you so much! I forgot to mention 60$ was more of a starting point lol, I think i can raise the bar to 85, if nessecary. Greninja BREAK has been on my radar, but coming next rotation with garde, i didn't know, how well Grekkouga (yes, I love the japanese name) did well in matchup against Garde. Another thing i noticed was its weakness to grass, is that a huge deal in a golisopod matchup? I know it could be while setting up, but if I did play a Grekkouga BREAK deck, could I just play 1 or 2 weakness policy in case of a matchup like that, or is it like I said, not a huge deal?
Unfortunately, grass decks are a problem Greninja decks simply can't overcome. Running weakness policy is something that simply doesn't fit with Greninja because it relies so heavily on Choice Band as it's tool. It's funny because Greninja has good matchups against Gardevoir, Metagross, and Volcanion (all top decks), so it would be unfair if it didn't have some weakness. All in all, Greninja has a ton of good matchups but will auto lose to Golisopod and Bulu so that's a decision you will have to make.
 
Unfortunately, grass decks are a problem Greninja decks simply can't overcome. Running weakness policy is something that simply doesn't fit with Greninja because it relies so heavily on Choice Band as it's tool. It's funny because Greninja has good matchups against Gardevoir, Metagross, and Volcanion (all top decks), so it would be unfair if it didn't have some weakness. All in all, Greninja has a ton of good matchups but will auto lose to Golisopod and Bulu so that's a decision you will have to make.

So it comes down to the question, how much are we going to see Pod in the new rotation? Because if we don't see it very often, Greninja's in the clear
 
Here is my Quad Sylveon GX decklist.

Pokemon: 8

4 Eevee
4 Sylveon GX

Trainers: 38

Items
4 Crushing Hammer
4 Puzzle of Time
2 Enhanced Hammer
2 Field Blower
4 Red Card
3 Tormenting Spray

Supporters
4 Team Flare Grunt
2 Team Rockets Handiwork
4 Delinquent
2 Plumeria
3 Guzma

Stadium
3 Parallel City
1 Chaos Tower

Energy: 14

11 Fairy Energy
3 Double Colorless Energy

I have deck tested quite a bit with this list and found it to be very successful. Here is a thread me and some other players have been posting on discussing Quad Sylveon. Also Golisopod will be very popular considering it did so well in Worlds.

http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thr...rotation-breakthrough-burning-shadows.141466/
 
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