Luxchomp
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Not at all, it still takes skill to know what to play and when. Luxchomp seems to have gained a reputation for being some godly unbeatable deck, when the truth is it still takes skill to use well, or it can lose games just as easily as any other deck can.
^ Agree totally. These comments that say that Luxchomp is a cheap deck usually come from people who are just bad at the game in general and when a deck that steps up the difficulty of the game they start moaning. Also imo, I think jumpluff is better than Luxchomp. Luxchomp is very beatable, you either just can't beat the deck or you dont enjoy a challenge.
Luxchomp is actually the most expensive deck in format... discussion: over
Actually, Luxchomp is hard to play, and extremely hard to deviate from. The cookie cutter builds won't win big events, but anything else will probably fail. The great builds that deviate from the cookie cutter builds are amazing, but extremely hard to build. Even playing Luxchomp is easy for a period of the game. If the game goes into midgame, it is very strategic playing luxchomp... really hard to decide how to play. It is beatable however. Techs can be made in near every deck to make the game 50-50.
Actually, Luxchomp is hard to play, and extremely hard to deviate from. The cookie cutter builds won't win big events, but anything else will probably fail. The great builds that deviate from the cookie cutter builds are amazing, but extremely hard to build. Even playing Luxchomp is easy for a period of the game. If the game goes into midgame, it is very strategic playing luxchomp... really hard to decide how to play. It is beatable however. Techs can be made in near every deck to make the game 50-50.
Did you mean cheap, as in unfair, or cheap as in cost?
Its not so overpowered that it is unfair. And actually I wouldn't say it was overpowered at all. It just has good disruption, combined with ultra claydol killing power, and some convenient types to catch many of the format's important weaknesses. So cheap? no. Annoying to play against? Yes.
With all of that said, I hate how popular the deck is. Its not the deck I hate, but how much it is played. I don't feel like I can play any water decks because I know I'll get murdered by luxray. So all of the fun ideas with feraligatr are out. I like creative, fresh decks. I'd rather lose with a deck people look at and say "thats a neat idea" than win with a deck everybody else is playing.
Its not so overpowered that it is unfair. And actually I wouldn't say it was overpowered at all. It just has good disruption, combined with ultra claydol killing power, and some convenient types to catch many of the format's important weaknesses. So cheap? no. Annoying to play against? Yes.
With all of that said, I hate how popular the deck is. Its not the deck I hate, but how much it is played. I don't feel like I can play any water decks because I know I'll get murdered by luxray. So all of the fun ideas with feraligatr are out. I like creative, fresh decks. I'd rather lose with a deck people look at and say "thats a neat idea" than win with a deck everybody else is playing.
LuxChomp isn't hard to play, but neither is any other Pokemon deck really.
Also, it appears to be time to bust this out again: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html
What really surprises me about this post is that there are currently a number of easier/more autopilot decks out there now. Jumpluff, the current BDIF, is the most autopilot deck I've seen in the past few years, and Shuppet and Gyarados are consistently winning as well. =\
Also, it appears to be time to bust this out again: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html
What really surprises me about this post is that there are currently a number of easier/more autopilot decks out there now. Jumpluff, the current BDIF, is the most autopilot deck I've seen in the past few years, and Shuppet and Gyarados are consistently winning as well. =\
I must say Jumpluff is easy to use...an newbie could use it in a day.
Luxchomp is however much more difficult to use.
What to snipe? What to flash bite? What to spray? What should I let to die? What should I Poke Turn? And et cetera. There are so many things one can do using Luxchomp in a single turn. So, yes it is very difficult to master. And only those who really know what is going on win competitions. If you are not familiar enough, you will be swamped by other decks.
Luxchomp is however much more difficult to use.
What to snipe? What to flash bite? What to spray? What should I let to die? What should I Poke Turn? And et cetera. There are so many things one can do using Luxchomp in a single turn. So, yes it is very difficult to master. And only those who really know what is going on win competitions. If you are not familiar enough, you will be swamped by other decks.
I just don't like metagame in general.
kwisdumb said:
SPs in general are cheap...but not due to the pokemon, but due to the accessories
@kwisdumb...you're right, there really isn't a deck that is hard to play...and while those decks you mention are much more autopilot than LuxChomp, none of them really have the cheap tactics that LuxChomp has
LuxChomp isn't a difficult deck to play at all...yea you have to be more strategic as the game goes on, but just about every deck is like that, because you have to manage your resources.....but it really isn't that hard to know what to Flash Bite, Bright Look, Dragon Rush, or Power Spray...nor is it difficult to know when and what to PokeTurn or let get KO'd...a deck doesn't have to be easy to play in order to be considered cheap
kwisdumb said:
Jumpluff is definately not BDIF.
Gyarados and shuppet are fairly difficult to play. One false move with either and you're completely screwed.
Like the dude that you can't prounouce the name said, it's not luxray and garchomp that are cheap in SP decks, it's the accessories like cyrus, poke power and poke turn. And also the fact that they are all basics makes them so fast and hard to compete with. And anyways luck is also a factor in games.
z-man said:
Honestly i completely agree w/ you. I also have been playing/testing LuxChomp for a while too. It really is hard to play and you can't really say anything unless you have played it. Also I'd have to say LuxChomp is BDIF as now SOME variants can beat Jumpluff but that's my opinion. Also Luxchomp is BY FAR the most expensive deck to play right now(I'd Palkia Lock+Luxray GL LV.X but almost no one plays that anymore)
The cheapest deck is Jumpluff IMO, because it is a legit meta deck and is complete autopilot, i'd say shuppet but due to the trainers it requires minimal thinking. Shuppet is the cheapest to build though
I think that Jumpluff has an advantage over LuxChomp. It's not an autoloss for Chomp or anything, but I'd argue that Jumpluff beats it the majority of the time. I'm interested to see what'll happen at U.S. Nats as I've been testing a few LuxChomp builds that have advantages of Pluff, but for now I think that Jumpluff is still the BDIF.
@Bubble: Going a little off-topic here, but assuming you don't use foils and use promos wherever you can, Jumpluff should cost maybe $150 - $200? $50 for a Luxray, $5-6 for each Pluff? I haven't looked at prices lately so I could be mistaken.
@Bubble: Going a little off-topic here, but assuming you don't use foils and use promos wherever you can, Jumpluff should cost maybe $150 - $200? $50 for a Luxray, $5-6 for each Pluff? I haven't looked at prices lately so I could be mistaken.
Luxchomp is annoying and a fair deck, but it is able to hit you were it hurts. If you want to talk about a cheap deck play against a SableLock.