Standard M Houndoom EX / Ninetales

[poke4trade]

I've been messing around with a deck list I'd like to get some feed back. It is bit of an odd one but has been producing some really decent results, especially in the night march arena. What I guess I really want to do with the deck is throw in a 2/2 Octillary, but I really haven't had the time to try. If you have any suggestions, on the deck, or where I can squeeze in the Octillary, I'd love to hear it.

Pokemon: 14

• 3 M Houndoom EX
• 3 Houndoom EX
• 2 Vulpix
• 2 Nintales
• 2 Enetie
• 2 Shaymin EX

Support: 13

• 2 Blacksmith
• 1 Judge
• 3 Professor Sycamore
• 1 AZ
• 1 Brigitte
• 2 Lysandre

Items: 22

• 3 Ultra Ball
• 4 VS Seeker
• 3 Trainers' Mail
• 3 Houndoom Spirit Link
• 2 Level Ball
• 2 Muscle Band
• 1 Sacred Ash
• 1 Escape Rope

Stadiums: 2

• 2 Silent Lab

Energy:

• 6 Fire Energy
• 3 Burning Energy

Strategy:

The idea of the deck is to either lock in your stadium or play without a stadium. Because so many decks are reliant on the stadium card, you try and deny them playing it. At the same time, if you are able to lock in your stadium (Silent Lab) you deny the opponent shaymin use. Though in many cases, having a stadium deny is pretty massive for most decks in this meta, to deny shaymin proves problematic for a lot of decks to handle. Brigette, along with other supporters, help drive the deck a bit for draw support in those cases.

The idea around this deck spawned when I noticed that most players will wisely not play their stadium card first. They wait for the opponent to put it down to knock it out. Because of this hesitation this give the deck time for the evolution into ninetales. Spanning one Vespix is problematic, but two Vespix plus an enentie becomes very agitating for the opponent fast. Along with ultraballs, Brigette and level balls this can give a strong turn one.

An Alternative card I've been using instead of Silent Lab is Paint Roller. Paint roller proves very strong in this format and will allow the evolution of nintales when opponent has their stadium in play to knock out that stadium card.

M Houndoom is very strong against pokemon that rely on stadiums for advancement...Manetric/Night March/Rayquaza/MewTwo and other friends. Plus, the pokemon really isn't a stadium dependent card.

Any thoughts would be helpful.
Thanks

 

[TCGDeoxys]

First of all, Silent Lab wont work with Shaymin, as no basics have abilities. Remove them for scorched Earth. Also take out AZ for blacksmith. Take out 1 level ball and sacred ash for 1 Energy Retrieval and 1 Superior Energy Retrieval.

 

[neophenx]

This looks like a Standard list, not an Expanded list, so Superior Energy Retrieval is moot. Though Fisherman does about the same job. I notice the deck is also missing Battle Compressors, a staple of fire decks alongside Blacksmith. Also, you ARE running EX's, so I'd suggest swapping Brigette for Fan Club, since you can get both Houndoom AND a Vulpix/Entei if you need to. Sure, less Pokemon, but at the same time you're only running one Brigette so it's not like you're expecting to get it in your first hand.

 

[Jayt88]

First of all, Silent Lab wont work with Shaymin, as no basics have abilities. Remove them for scorched Earth. Also take out AZ for blacksmith. Take out 1 level ball and sacred ash for 1 Energy Retrieval and 1 Superior Energy Retrieval.

Pretty sure Silent Lab renders Shaymin useless as he is a basic pokemon.

 

[poke4trade]

Thanks, I'll give it go with that energy retrieval. Usually, I play my shaymins before I drop the silent lab. For the most part, they don't run into conflict because players tendency is to drop Shaymin early. Because of this the natural tendency players tend to delay stadium play until the opponent drops their stadium off the benched shaymin. But ya, their would be chances that the shaymin and the silent lab would drop on the draw which would force the deck to draw one less card into the hand. Play shaymin before you play the stadium.

Silent lab can be played with shaymin but the deck does require a bit of attention to detail.

 

[Mora]

While you can't use Shaymin EX's Set Up while Silent Lab is in play, that doesn't mean you can't play them both in the same deck. You just have to be careful about when you play the Stadium. I actually like it, depending on the deck.