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Expanded M Sceptile EX / Yveltal EX

Sergio franco

Sergio franco

Aspiring Trainer
Member
Pokémon:
  • 3 M Sceptile EX
  • 3 Sceptile EX
  • 1 Mewtwo EX
  • 1 Malamar EX
  • 1 Virizion EX
  • 1 Yveltal EX
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums:
  • 4 Hypnotoxic Laser
  • 3 Virbank City Gym
  • 3 Sceptile Spirit Link
  • 3 Ultra Ball
  • 3 Shauna
  • 2 Professor Birch's Observations
  • 2 Professor's Letter
  • 2 VS Seeker
  • 2 Switch
  • 2 Muscle Band
  • 2 Lysandre
  • 2 Energy Retrieval
  • 1 Trainers' Mail
  • 1 Computer Search
  • 1 Hex Maniac
  • 1 Trick Coin
Energy:
  • 11 Grass Energy
  • 4 Darkness Energy
  • 1 DCE
Strategy:

sceptile ex and m sceptile are my main attackers. Try to get m sceptile ready and start jagged sabering to energize my bench
 
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I wouldn't put in trevenant if it's expanded. Mewtwo for different weakness and type. Could put other colorless attackers. Could even put Yveltal since you have darkenergy.
 
Ivy_Profen said:
I wouldn't put in trevenant if it's expanded. Mewtwo for different weakness and type. Could put other colorless attackers. Could even put Yveltal since you have darkenergy.
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I use Virizion and m sceptile to energize my trevenant . I could throw in a Mewtwo
 
3 virbank, since stadium wars will screw you, and take out malamar for mewtwo, as an experienced sceptile player, I suggest playing a 1-1 ariados, because keldeo rushing in and out can be a major problem. and take out the dark energies and put in 1 genesect ex and take out gold potion for a g booster. your deck is all out of wack. I would give you my list, but I have to blow my disgusting nose. but if you do want my list, then write me back and I will.
 
gumball51321 said:
3 virbank, since stadium wars will screw you, and take out malamar for mewtwo, as an experienced sceptile player, I suggest playing a 1-1 ariados, because keldeo rushing in and out can be a major problem. and take out the dark energies and put in 1 genesect ex and take out gold potion for a g booster. your deck is all out of wack. I would give you my list, but I have to blow my disgusting nose. but if you do want my list, then write me back and I will.
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I've just started playing, 4 months now. 1-1 ariados means one spin arak and one Ariados. ? I don't have g booster but have g scope. And can I see your list. Thanks
 
The reason trevenant isn't a great pokemon to add is that it takes 4 energy to hit the same damage sceptile ex can for 2. It has also has 2 more retreat cost.

The only thing trevenant has going for it is 10 more hp. But is it really worth investing 4+ energy? You could easily have 2 more sceptiles charged instead doing the same amount of damage.

I would take them out for 1 Mewtwo and 1 Malamar or Yveltal. Malamar has a good ability and hits hard with trick coin. Yveltal does more damage than trevenant ever could. For 2 energy it does 60 damage. That doesn't include the energy on your opponents pokemon.
 
Ivy_Profen said:
The reason trevenant isn't a great pokemon to add is that it takes 4 energy to hit the same damage sceptile ex can for 2. It has also has 2 more retreat cost.

The only thing trevenant has going for it is 10 more hp. But is it really worth investing 4+ energy? You could easily have 2 more sceptiles charged instead doing the same amount of damage.

I would take them out for 1 Mewtwo and 1 Malamar or Yveltal. Malamar has a good ability and hits hard with trick coin. Yveltal does more damage than trevenant ever could. For 2 energy it does 60 damage. That doesn't include the energy on your opponents pokemon.
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3 m sceptile ex
3 sceptile ex
Virizion ex
Yveltal ex
Malamar ex
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4 hypnotoxic laser
2 virbank city
3 professor letter
3 shauna
2 professor birch
3 spirit link sceptile
3 ultra ball
2 switch
2 vs seeker
2 muscle band
2 tierno
2 Lysandre
Gold potion
Trick coin
Trainers mail
Energy switch
Energy recycler
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11 grass energy
4 dark energy
1 DCE

I'm thinking I should add another Pokemon
, maybe Mewtwo
 
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Hi Sergio Franco!

Please remember to put the strategy behind your deck so other members are able to help you with your deck! Thanks :)
 
the main issue you are going to run into is safe guard pokemon with what you have now. You will have no way of dealing damage to them. For my grass decks before the format change always use to have a 2-2 line of some non ex pokemon. To deal with suicune and sigilyph. Usually it was Abomasnow from PLB. Since it hit for water type damage while still using grass energy. 80 damage for 3 energy and both pokemon are confused. Though with Virizion Ex out theres no problem there. Either way 100 (with muscle band) damage is just enough for both safe guard pokemon. Both of which will take 2 attacks to take you out. It also can OHKO all fire type pokemon, not counting M Charizard.

Other people thought Beartic was a better pokemon for the job. For 2 energy it does 20+20 for each retreat cost on the defending pokemon. However, this pokemon cannot OHKO all fire types (at least i assume not)and will not OHKO the safe guard pokemon.

Raichu has been another popular addition into decks to deal with the pesky fly pokemon that dominate the format. Or previously have. However it maxes out at 100 damage with a full bench.

Though all of this doesn't matter if no one in ur local meta game uses the safeguard pokemon.
 
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Ivy_Profen said:
the main issue you are going to run into is safe guard pokemon with what you have now. You will have no way of dealing damage to them. For my grass decks before the format change always use to have a 2-2 line of some non ex pokemon. To deal with suicune and sigilyph. Usually it was Abomasnow from PLB. Since it hit for water type damage while still using grass energy. 100 damage for 3 energy and both pokemon are confused. Though with Virizion Ex out theres no problem there. Either way 100 damage is just enough for both safe guard pokemon. Both of which will take 2 attacks to take you out. It also can OHKO all fire type pokemon, not counting M Charizard.

Other people thought Beartic was a better pokemon for the job. For 2 energy it does 20+20 for each retreat cost on the defending pokemon. However, this pokemon cannot OHKO all fire types (at least i assume not)and will not OHKO the safe guard pokemon.

Raichu has been another popular addition into decks to deal with the pesky fly pokemon that dominate the format. Or previously have. However it maxes out at 100 damage with a full bench.

Though all of this doesn't matter if no one in ur local meta game uses the safeguard pokemon.
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Both sceptile ex and m sceptile will be the main attackers, m sceptile will help power up my bench. I was thinking exeggutor 2-2 for safeguard Pokemon
 
Which one? The older PLF one doesn't do nearly enough damage. The ROS is also pretty bad. For 3 energy it does 80 damage. It has the same weakness and same type as sceptile and needs a muscle band to Sigilyph. 3 Retreat cost is also pretty big, though not terrible i suppose. It's basic has either 40 hp or 30 depending on the set.

For the secondary attackers in your deck. You should really aim to do cover more than one problem your main attacker faces. For M Sceptile/Sceptile, it is Safeguard, low damage output, and fire weakness.

Exeggcutor covers safe guard and thats it. Its not a perfect answer either. As it needs a muscle band to secure KOS. It has the same weakness and same type.

Abomasnow (as my example, since its one i favor the most) covers safeguard, also needing a muscle band though. It both hits fire for weakness and is also not weak to fire. In addition to fire it also hits Landorus Ex for SE damage, and other water weak pokemon. Its damage output isn't super great either, but that isn't a huge deal since it also causes confusion. This forces a switch or a risky flip that could do an additional 30 damage.

With your deck in particular. If you do choose to play, M Sceptile, Abomasnow, Mewtwo, and Malamar. You can SE with 4 different types, using only 2 types of energy. SE things like Groudon/Kyogre/Camerupt/Gengar/Donphan/Seismitoad/Landorus/Lucario/Machamp. Just to name a hand full off the top of my head. Though if your meta game has a lot of Yveltal/Lugia/Rayquaza. You may want to go with the Raichu route instead of Abomasnow.
 
Ivy_Profen said:
Which one? The older PLF one doesn't do nearly enough damage. The ROS is also pretty bad. For 3 energy it does 80 damage. It has the same weakness and same type as sceptile and needs a muscle band to Sigilyph. 3 Retreat cost is also pretty big, though not terrible i suppose. It's basic has either 40 hp or 30 depending on the set.

For the secondary attackers in your deck. You should really aim to do cover more than one problem your main attacker faces. For M Sceptile/Sceptile, it is Safeguard, low damage output, and fire weakness.

Exeggcutor covers safe guard and thats it. Its not a perfect answer either. As it needs a muscle band to secure KOS. It has the same weakness and same type.

Abomasnow (as my example, since its one i favor the most) covers safeguard, also needing a muscle band though. It both hits fire for weakness and is also not weak to fire. In addition to fire it also hits Landorus Ex for SE damage, and other water weak pokemon. Its damage output isn't super great either, but that isn't a huge deal since it also causes confusion. This forces a switch or a risky flip that could do an additional 30 damage.

With your deck in particular. If you do choose to play, M Sceptile, Abomasnow, Mewtwo, and Malamar. You can SE with 4 different types, using only 2 types of energy. SE things like Groudon/Kyogre/Camerupt/Gengar/Donphan/Seismitoad/Landorus/Lucario/Machamp. Just to name a hand full off the top of my head. Though if your meta game has a lot of Yveltal/Lugia/Rayquaza. You may want to go with the Raichu route instead of Abomasnow.
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When you say safeguard do you mean Pokemon who have abilities which prevent basic and ex Pokemon from dealing damage? Can't I have hex maniac for that as well?
 
You can. I don't want to have to rely on just one supporter. What if you run into a regice deck. Hex maniac won't help you. Straight suicune deck? You need to use it upwards of 4 times. Donplan/gengar can hide behind 4 of them.
If you don't expect those then sure 1 hex maniac can do it.
 
Ivy_Profen said:
You can. I don't want to have to rely on just one supporter. What if you run into a regice deck. Hex maniac won't help you. Straight suicune deck? You need to use it upwards of 4 times. Donplan/gengar can hide behind 4 of them.
If you don't expect those then sure 1 hex maniac can do it.
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True but I was thinking at least 2 hex maniac. And another question, I wanna get the most use out of jagged saber, so this means, Always being able to have grass energy in my hand when I need to. Should I swap out this energy recycler for energy retrieval? I would think that would be more useful than moving energy back into my deck. I went to NorCal regionals this past weekend and did 4-5-0.i didn't use this deck. I also didn't run into any sigilyph or suicune or pyroar in all of my games. So I dont feel it's too much of a problem for me, I feel 2 hex maniac should help me out if I do run into them
 
Regice/manectric is probably the biggest threat. Which hex maniac will not help. I would only use 1 hex maniac if anything. Vs seeker to get it back.

If you want retrieval. Use 2 letters 2 retrieval. Take out the recycle and the energy switch.
 
Ivy_Profen said:
Regice/manectric is probably the biggest threat. Which hex maniac will not help. I would only use 1 hex maniac if anything. Vs seeker to get it back.

If you want retrieval. Use 2 letters 2 retrieval. Take out the recycle and the energy switch.
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Ivy_Profen said:
Regice/manectric is probably the biggest threat. Which hex maniac will not help. I would only use 1 hex maniac if anything. Vs seeker to get it back.

If you want retrieval. Use 2 letters 2 retrieval. Take out the recycle and the energy switch.
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Thanks,
ok so this is where I'm at,


3 m sceptile ex
3 sceptile ex
Mewtwo ex
Malamar ex
Virizion ex
Yveltal ex
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4 hypno laser
2 virbank city
3 sceptile spirit link
3 ultra ball
3 Shauna
2 professor birch
2 professors letter
2 vs seeker
2 switch
2 muscle band
2 Lysandre
2 energy retrieval
2 trainers mail
Gold potion
Hex maniac
Trick coin
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11 grass energy
4 darkness energy
1 DCE

I will swap something out when I get a 3rd virbank city gym.
Ill test this out at Pokemon league tonight and will let you know how I did .
 
Sergio franco said:
Is this what you mean?
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Yeah, and if you could keep the formatting and capitalization the same, you'd be golden. Usually you can just change the counts of cards or remove them entirely.
 
Ivy_Profen said:
Change the gold potion for comp search or dowsing machine.
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I showed up late so only played 3 games with someone, we did best of three. I won the first game and he won the next two. I feel I would've won the second if he hadn't played two head ringers first turn. This me held back and he started attacking first. Every game he had head ringerS first turn. I traded and was able to get computer search and a third virbank. I swapped these out for a trainers mail and gold potion. I did not play these games with these two added cards.

this is what my deck looks like now:

Pokémon:
  • 3 M Sceptile EX
  • 3 Sceptile EX
  • 1 Mewtwo EX
  • 1 Malamar EX
  • 1 Virizion EX
  • 1 Yveltal EX
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums:
  • 4 Hypnotoxic Laser
  • 3 Virbank City Gym
  • 3 Sceptile Spirit Link
  • 3 Ultra Ball
  • 3 Shauna
  • 2 Professor Birch's Observations
  • 2 Professor's Letter
  • 2 VS Seeker
  • 2 Switch
  • 2 Muscle Band
  • 2 Lysandre
  • 2 Energy Retrieval
  • 1 Trainers' Mail
  • 1 Computer Search
  • 1 Hex Maniac
  • 1 Trick Coin
Energy:
  • 11 Grass Energy
  • 4 Darkness Energy
  • 1 DCE
Strategy:

sceptile ex and m sceptile are my main attackers. Try to get m sceptile ready and start jagged sabering to energize my bench.
 
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