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Alt. Format M Tyranitar EX / Crobat

ProZlockie

ProZlockie

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Pokemon: (17)
  • 3 Tyranitar-EX (AOR/BDR)
  • 3 M Tyranitar-EX (AOR/BDR)
  • 2 Yveltal (XY)
  • 3 Zubat (PHF)
  • 3 Golbat (PHF)
  • 3 Crobat (PHF)
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: (33)
  • 4 Professor Sycamore
  • 4 Super Scoop Up
  • 4 VS Seeker
  • 3 Ultra Ball
  • 3 Tyranitar Spirit Link
  • 3 Mega Turbo
  • 2 Shauna
  • 2 Battle Compressor
  • 2 Lysandre
  • 2 Professor Birch's Observation
  • 2 Switch
  • 2 Shadow Circle
Energy: (10)
  • 4 Double Colorless Energy
  • 6 Darkness Energy
Strategy:

The main point of this deck is to get Golbats and Crobats into play to deal some damage to any of your opponents Pokemon, while at the same time using Yveltal (XY) to get energy onto Tyranitar. Once Tyranitar is ready to go, you get it into the active spot and use Destroyer King to finish off the opposing Pokemon as they come in (assuming that they have damage on them from Golbat/Crobat).
 

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I like your idea and your deck list, but I am not sure how you would get the energies into the discard pile to use Yveltal or Mega Turbo. Some additions you can find ways to add would be stuff like Battle Compressor or anything else you know that can put energies into the discard pile. Other than that I think you have a good deck list.

Hope this helps!
 
I like it, only thing is the battle compressors like Mega Adi said, a Tyranitar/Bats variation will certainly be my deck of choice after rotation.
 
I completely forgot about Battle Compressor to be honest....even though both of my current decks run it. I'm thinking it's a 1-of thing? Taking out a VS Seeker, or putting two in and getting rid of Muscle Band all together. Thank you for the feedback!
 
You could get away with one but what if was prized or something?
That would slow the game down a lot. I would put in at least 2, maybe 3 to be safe.
 
honestly, you do not even need crobat. You can just play golbat. the 20 damage is plenty and you can even attack with it which would spread even more damage around.

i am going to run a ttar deck when AOR is released and this is just my 2 cents.
Hope this was helpful:)
-Tropizard420
 
@McJigglyBob: I took some time and decided that you are correct, at least 2 battle compressors. The edit I made was taking out muscle bands. With that much potential damage, it isn't really needed anyway.

@Tropizard420: I think Crobat is needed. The more of your opponents stuff that has damage counters on them when they become active, the better. I do understand why you could say Crobat isn't needed. However, if I fail on a Super Scoop up and do not have/get another on my next draw but have a Crobat, I can still put Crobat on and put damage counters on another Pokemon. (Sorry, I really hope this makes sense! I'm having a lot of trouble with wording things today.)
 
Crobat would be most useful against Wailord decks if you didn't run any muscle bands.
 
That is also another reason why I would run Crobat, just to play it safe with Wailord. But wouldn't a Golbat then an attack with M Tyranitar be enough? 20 damage on it, plus 110 and extra 120 (60 times two damage counters) equals a total of 250. Unless I got something wrong. But Crobat would still be incredibly useful, regardless. Also, what would be some problems for this deck? I know P Groudon EX, possibly some other fighting decks, Seismitoad EX, and probably C Rayquaza EX off the top of my head. Are there any others this should be concerned about?
 
Wailord decks will likely not be played with all of this grass support and I am just saying that no crobats will add more room for consistency cards or tool retriever (always fear the double head ringer) i would run hard charm instead of muscle band just for the bulk. With my variant I am going to try the sableye and put dangerous energy onto it to put damage on exs. I see where you are coming at, but I am sticking to my opinion.

Thanks for reading:)
-Tropizard420
 
Remember that you can use Ultra Balls to discard energy to. Also I would try to utilize M Tyranitar-EX's Double trait more because you don't want Head ringers on him.

In that case I would do this:
-1 battle compressor
+1 Hard Charm

also why not use N?
-2 Shauna
+2 N

Hope this helps :D
 
My thoughts regarding this deck is that a simple 4-4 Golbat line will be quite sufficient since, in addition to Sneaky Bite damage counters drop, I plan to utilize Golbat's Swoop Across attack which will inflict 10 damage unto all of the opponent's Poke. Some Poke will be active and will take hits from the opponent's active Poke. So, a single-prize Golbat can easily fill that role vs. any of my TTars.

IMO, 4 SSUs are excessive since M TTar can potentially KO any Poke in the format; so, I'm not sure how much these will be needed given how Golbat can be played.

I also don't believe 2 Shadow Cirlcle Stadiums will be sufficient. Based upon my own tournament experience and observations from Nats, a minimum of 3 Stadiums are needed to effectively counter an opponent's Stadiums. On the other hand, do you really need to run a Stadium in this deck given M TTar's 1HKO capability?

Following are some suggested deck changes for your consideration:

-3 Crobat
-2 SSU
-1 VS Seeker. 3 are quite sufficient, IMO.

+1 Zubat.
+1 Goldbat.

+2 Level Ball. Will facilitate fast bench setup.
+1 Professor's Letter. To search and find needed basic energy for manual energy attachment.
+1 D

I hope you find these comments helpful.
 
ProZlockie said:
That is also another reason why I would run Crobat, just to play it safe with Wailord. But wouldn't a Golbat then an attack with M Tyranitar be enough? 20 damage on it, plus 110 and extra 120 (60 times two damage counters) equals a total of 250. Unless I got something wrong. But Crobat would still be incredibly useful, regardless. Also, what would be some problems for this deck? I know P Groudon EX, possibly some other fighting decks, Seismitoad EX, and probably C Rayquaza EX off the top of my head. Are there any others this should be concerned about?
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Yes you are right, i did the math wrong. Maybe you don't need Crobat
 
Plasma Dragon said:
Remember that you can use Ultra Balls to discard energy to. Also I would try to utilize M Tyranitar-EX's Double trait more because you don't want Head ringers on him.

In that case I would do this:
-1 battle compressor
+1 Hard Charm

also why not use N?
-2 Shauna
+2 N

Hope this helps :D
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We don't use N because this is meant to be an XY-On deck for next format. You could add some Ace Trainers if you wanted to though.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions! They're super helpful!Once this stuff actually comes out, I'll play test some variants and then updated my list.. Also, @TuxedoBlack, what do you mean by "+1 D?" My reasoning for running a stadium is to take away the obvious fighting weakness, while also trying to make sure my opponent wont have theirs in play.
 
I completely forgot Level Ball is getting a reprint, whoops....

So after reading all current suggestions and thinking them over, I'm thinking more of something likie:

-3 Crobat
-2 Super Scoop Up
-1 VS Seeker
+1 Zubat
+1 Golbat
+1 Professors Letter
+1 Hard Charm
+2 Level Ball

Thanks all!
 
ProZlockie said:
Thanks for all the suggestions! They're super helpful!Once this stuff actually comes out, I'll play test some variants and then updated my list.. Also, @TuxedoBlack, what do you mean by "+1 D?" My reasoning for running a stadium is to take away the obvious fighting weakness, while also trying to make sure my opponent wont have theirs in play.
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@ProZlockie I completely understand the "why" behind the Shadow Circle Stadium; I just don't think 2 will be sufficient against any Fighting deck. Consider replacing the suggested "+1 D" (Dark energy) with another Shadow Circle Stadium.

Or perhaps just free-up those 2 current Stadium slots altogether? This latter thought is based upon the fact that when M Ttar EXs start attacking, you'll be taking prizes (via 1HKOs most likely) from that point on till game-end. The only (?) F Poké that has 1HKO capability against a M Ttar EX that you can't first strike against is P Groudon EX; all others you will see ahead of time and then can Lysandre and KO them before they will become a major threat.

Not sure what Stadiums would significantly affect this deck, if any at all. Just some early theorymon'ing...
 
@TuxedoBlack now I more fully understand what you're saying involving the stadium not really being needed. If they were to be replaced, what would you say?

+1 Dark Engery?
Add another Hard Charm?

Thanks for being helpful! It's much appreciated!
 
@ProZlockie Funny that you mentioned Hard Charm. That was an annoying Tool my opponents (at the recent Nats) used; and it some instances, that Tool forced a 2HKO vs. my intended 1HKO... Lol. Props to my opponents for using it; note to self: perhaps run a Startling Megaphone in my decks...

Other techs you might want to consider other than Hard Charm: Bad energy, Enhanced Hammer (most decks run some type of Special energy), Head Ringer, and Pokémon Center Lady.
 
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