Justify this, @bbninjas. Looks like a bastardisation of posts to prove a point, to me, which is a mafia tactic.There wasn't really that much––reading through the thread, Lele's backpedal came way out of left field imo. All the quotes you posted are from after the backpedal.
Just to clarify, when you said "Even if it's not bbninjas", were you speculating that bbninjas helped me come up with defense or something along those lines? I made this post on my own, but looking at other games, I think I see why it might look like something from bb.Sounds familiar? Even if it's not bbninjas, I don't see Tapu Lele coming with this kind of defense.
Indeed. What did you mean? :xOH! You mean the bolded, don't you Jabber?
I can kinda see where you're coming from, but that wasn't my gut reaction reading the post initially. It sounded more like trying to stop discussion than trying to stop rolefishing.Yeah, this theory just doesn't stand up well for me. For another point, Gekki used the word "claiming" directly after (and as a response to) Lele saying "We still don't know how dangerous claiming is", so it makes more sense to me than Gekki saying something like rolefishing.
A lot of his reasons for pursuing Lele have also been my reasons, which have been reasons that you've disagreed with. I'm always distantly worried when one veteran starts agreeing with me and nobody else does because it's turned out to be pocketing more than once before, but I don't have a problem with any of scattered's reasoning so far. What in particular strikes you as a wrong reason to go after Lele?On a different note, I'm not getting good vibes from scattered at all. The problem is, I haven't seen enough for him to decipher between what may be just a bad first impression, and an actual lead. He just seems to be going after Lele for all of the wrong reasons. Thoughts?
What're your thoughts on jplap or Gekki or literally anybody else? I feel like your last few posts have been attempts to appear like you're contributing to discussion but they don't really add anything.Just to clarify, when you said "Even if it's not bbninjas", were you speculating that bbninjas helped me come up with defense or something along those lines? I made this post on my own, but looking at other games, I think I see why it might look like something from bb.
I was just about to get to that. I would have posted earlier, but I had work and I got trapped in a grocery store as my town was flooded.What're your thoughts on jplap or Gekki or literally anybody else? I feel like your last few posts have been attempts to appear like you're contributing to discussion but they don't really add anything.
##VERB: Professor_Jplap
The first person to vote is always scum
##UNKACHOW
##KACHOW: Jabber
The third vote is always scum
--Casts this vote right after Luis votes for me##UNTHICCIFY
##THICCIFY: Tapu Lele
Subs in the last game are always scum
--This one is my favorite##VOTE: TE
I never trusted you now it’s time to see if the others do too
--Goes off of the "One man out of five" quote I pushed earlier and parrots Celever's "Sux" verb##UNDISENGAGE
##CLONE: DOS
For a blatant scumslip and for generally suxing
Gekki has collected leads we must purge him of this information using the power granted to us from the RVS gods
--Bouncing off of posts I made about Jplap's roleAll this means is that if Jplap isn’t dead tonight he is probably scum
--Votes as soon as he sees SM make a vote on meActivity lowered
Commence activity
So right now Lele is scum based on rolefishing and generally contradictive responses?
I can buy it we don’t have much else right now
##UNVOTE
##SJKSKDJDKEI: Tapu Lele
I never mentioned an independent third faction here. What was he talking about? Am I missing a quote from this context (let me know if that's the case)? Is he just glancing at the thread, or is he mixing up conversations with someone else?At this point in time people were discussing the theory that Jplap is an independent third faction or had a very powerful death ability and when he said he had a game changing town ability it was to bait either scum to kill him assuming he’s town or for us to lynch him. I didn’t think that was possible because as I said in that quote you had he’s very new to the game and probably wouldn’t think of baiting his own death to activate his ability
##REEESCUM: Jplap
This is scummy to me bc it feels like he's trying to cement himself as town already, which is odd this early into the game and reads like scum trying to stay out of the spotlight to me. Town has no reason to say they have a powerful ability, especially this early in the game when they have like no pressure on them, as it just paints a target on their back for the nightkill.
I read it as "Stop talking about the claiming mechanics, people already should know it and it isn't useful to thread discussion". When I read it like this, it kinda stung, as I was able to talk about game mechanics in the prior game all I wanted and barely anyone said a word. I thought I was helping people, not hurting their discussion or annoying themLele stop talking about claiming, it's gone from being borderline useful to clogging the thread & making it harder for jplap to respond to the things that really matter
Orrr I wasn't trying to distance myself from him, I was just trying to keep us talking about useful things :U
Ah yes because I wouldn't just say that to him in scumchat if we were buddies
Looking at that post a second time (Lele's), it does seem kind of off to me as well.
...He didn't care to read even a little bit back :V@TOTAL_EPICNESS, would you mind sharing your advantage from last certamen? You don't have to answer if you don't want to, I'm just curious.
Fishing. Claiming is dangerous in this game; y'all know that. Why are you asking him that?
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: TAPU LELE
NP's made it pretty damn clear that claiming is not a good idea unless you're literally about to die. That makes rolefishing extremely suss.
Honestly I have yet to play a game with Gekki where he doesn't fall back on WIFOM at least three times before Day 1 is over. I don't think it by itself is indicative of alignment, but if Lele flips scum we'll see.
Idk who "you" is in this bit, but none of it makes the slightest bit of sense. You can't justify asking scummy questions by the fact that they weren't answered favorably.
What? These are the two least townie posts in the game so far.
There wasn't really that much––reading through the thread, Lele's backpedal came way out of left field imo. All the quotes you posted are from after the backpedal.
Oh come on. Don't dodge the question. We're talking about you asking scummy questions, not whatever answers you get from asking them.
The stage we're at in the game is not remotely related to Lele's role spec habits. He started off this way when he subbed in last game and by the end had realized that it was not a good way to play the game. Now he's back at it. Why is he back at it? Not because it's RVS. The two aren't correlated.
I would genuinely love to know why morda read those posts as town. I cannot think of a single way they can be construed as pro-town.
It's not an unsubstantiated leap; it's a pretty obvious backpedal.
After reading everything you said, you make it sound like these things are things so obvious, everyone should be able to see them. I even found it hard to consider that another person could see my post in a different manner than yours.This might sound like an unusual question, but why is it that you two veterans have such different reads of my post?
And this post reeks of OMGUS. Jplap, you haven't posted anything of substance, you've just dodged questions & thrown some OMGUS. I'm keeping my vote on you until you actually start doing something.Sorry about that, I have a tournament to attend. Gekki reeks scum to me, and would someone remind we what WIFOM and fos means?
This could be interesting, most likely just coincidence but it could be something of note.--Casts this vote right after Luis votes for me
This could very well just be RVS stuff. Apparently the general consensus is that I sux (and I don't think TE likes one man but five lol). TE has his wth moments but he's not that bad enough to do something like that imo.--Goes off of the "One man out of five" quote I pushed earlier and parrots Celever's "Sux" verb
I noticed this a while back too, but I believe some guy that's only posted once mentioned the indie faction?I never mentioned an independent third faction here. What was he talking about? Am I missing a quote from this context (let me know if that's the case)? Is he just glancing at the thread, or is he mixing up conversations with someone else?
The whole TE seeming to piggy back off of everything is a bit telling, I'll agree with that.Maybe he is scum and gets some sort of benefit from being lynched. (why else would he be claiming a powerful ability on day 1) OR he is one of those independent factions that does or doesn't exist. He has also yet to answer Gekki's question. So for the time being.
This kinda reads AtE?I read it as "Stop talking about the claiming mechanics, people already should know it and it isn't useful to thread discussion". When I read it like this, it kinda stung, as I was able to talk about game mechanics in the prior game all I wanted and barely anyone said a word. I thought I was helping people, not hurting their discussion or annoying them
Sorry if this is obvious, I'm just really dense at times, ask any of my friends about this and they'll probably confirm. lol When you say ask it, are you referring to Gekki asking you to stop rolefishing?Still, the response is odd for another reason. This message opened up a whole new window of discussion, and would have made it much harder for Jplap to respond to Gekki in the first place. Why ask it?
I haven't played much games with him either, but yeah he does get easily annoyed from what I've seen in the discord chat.I haven't played much with Gekki, or had too many serious conversations with him either. I'm not sure if he gets easily annoyed, or he's in fact trying to do something else. For now, I see this just as a frustrated response to my interrupting dialogue, and Gekki was trying to pressure Jplap with a contradiction with his behavior.
From what I remember about previous games, (tho these were a long time ago) Jabber is usually pretty assertive like that? Tho idrk, I'm terrible when it comes to remembering tells. :/In the last game, you were cohost, and that comes with a certain amount of prestige. This has made an impression on me to respect what you say, and acknowledge things you point out to be common knowledge. But I fear that you might be taking advantage of this. Your tone in these posts make it quite persuasive that you definitely know what you are talking about:
Ohey, this reminds me. I asked you to elaborate on why you think Gekki's scum, @Professor_jplap, I know you mentioned you're busy with something in thread, but you posted after I asked that. How come you had time to post and didn't use that to answer me? I'd also like to point out that jplap went on to ask about TE's certamen after ignoring my question, too.And this post reeks of OMGUS. Jplap, you haven't posted anything of substance, you've just dodged questions & thrown some OMGUS. I'm keeping my vote on you until you actually start doing something.
Good catch on Samwise's post. I completely missed it. I guess TE's post makes more sense now when referring to a independent faction.I noticed this a while back too, but I believe some guy that's only posted once mentioned the indie faction?
Sorry if this is obvious, I'm just really dense at times, ask any of my friends about this and they'll probably confirm. lol When you say ask it, are you referring to Gekki asking you to stop rolefishing?
Huh? The prize was from a contest which both mafia and town could enter... I would like to think that a prize from something like that could simply go either way, rather than be "townie" or "scummy"Of course it’s a townie ability but that’s all your getting
This feels like Deja Vu, but why are you telling the thread about this anyways? I thought the majority of people were fine without you divulging the information.It is an extremely powerful death ability
Of course it’s a townie ability but that’s all your getting
...oh yeahIf you indeed have an extremely powerful townie death ability (as you boast), it would only be effective if it was kept a secret from scum team. Now they would know not to use the nightkill on you.
No worries; this post is exactly what I was looking for. Glad you got out of the grocery store alright. ^.^I was just about to get to that. I would have posted earlier, but I had work and I got trapped in a grocery store as my town was flooded.
TE has been behaving quite sporadic. He is essentially wagoning everyone's leads, and is just being chaotic.[/QUOTE]TOTAL_EPICNESS
These are the most damning of the quotes you found. I'll also note that what really bugged me about TE is that more than once, he came in, summarized what had been happening, cast the mode vote, and didn't add anything of his own. This is obvs a scum tactic to appear like he's scumhunting when he's really really not.--Casts this vote right after Luis votes for me
--Votes as soon as he sees SM make a vote on me
Haven't seen anything out of character for Gekki yet.I haven't played much with Gekki, or had too many serious conversations with him either. I'm not sure if he gets easily annoyed, or he's in fact trying to do something else. For now, I see this just as a frustrated response to my interrupting dialogue, and Gekki was trying to pressure Jplap with a contradiction with his behavior.
How do you know scum are on both sides of the spectrum?@bbninjas, That an issue here, i dont really know who to lynch, not evryone is active, scum are on either side of the spctrum (active n inactive), so im just following my guts abd keeping my votes on jlap
Alright this is important and we're running out of time. Jplap is not a good Day 1 lynch. Everybody has reacted to him p much exactly the same way, which means his lynch gives us no information going into Day 2. This is bad. We can look into him tomorrow, or later on, but there are certain things we need from a D1 lynch that jplap's lynch does not give us.@Professor_jplap (5):TOTAL_EPICNESS, Jadethepokemontrainer, bbninjas, GekkisaiDaiNi,Jabberwock, Acetrainer_Samwise, Jabberwock
This is starting to become a tunnel. I can't remember your thoughts on anybody other than jplap this game.And this post reeks of OMGUS. Jplap, you haven't posted anything of substance, you've just dodged questions & thrown some OMGUS. I'm keeping my vote on you until you actually start doing something.
As for Lele, I'm not sure. He seems to be genuinely confused as this is his first real game to me.
Did Tapu Lele just take all the absurdly scummy things you've said this game, explain why they're scummy, and use them to present you as a new potential lynch? Why yes, he did. The sheer nerve of him.Did...did Tapu Lele just try to use things I said in RVS as evidence against me?
This is actually quite good as it's an original thought. Would like to see more of those, preferably with reasoning behind them.1 Jabber: this is one of the gut feelings i was talking about he hasn’t said anything particularly scummy but he’s pretty much running the game along with BB
2 BB: see Jabber
NP's and Vrack's job, not yours.3: all the inactive people: pls where are you
I really dislike it when people say "yeah I did that scummy thing, but it ain't scummy 'cause I do it all the time". It shows you're being hyperconscious of how you play, which indicates that more of the stuff you say can be attributed to WIFOM, and is also inherently a scumtell.4: Lele: see my original post in which I stated some reasons why Lele could be scum plus the stuff now in which he called me “chaotic and sporadic” and quoted a bunch of RVS stuff if you were at the beginning of the last game you would know I do this all the time I had an entire argument with gekki on why Yuri isn’t best girl in DDLC
Your only townread is Gekki? How is he playing similarly to when he's town?Townreads:
Gekki: playing similarily to when he’s town
Don't do this. >.>Also:
For those who have read this far congrats you are about to learn a minimal amount of info about my prize!
It is an extremely powerful death ability
Of course it’s a townie ability but that’s all your getting
Nope lol.town is usually the team that gets death abilities so there
Answer this @TOTAL_EPICNESS.This feels like Deja Vu, but why are you telling the thread about this anyways? I thought the majority of people were fine without you divulging the information.