For all the times we've gone town vs town against each other you should know this is true. But even a stopped PMJ is right twice a day.
Then stop being so confident in them jc.
PMJ said:
I get that he confirmed your claim but that does mean he's mafia. This isn't like Tapu Lele where we had mod confirmation, this is just you speculating on alignment when it's unlikely there are any more scum roles left outside of Crassus and Caesar. I'll admit that if there were, that role name could be another, I guess, but I don't see 5 scum + 1 indie in a 20-man game.
Do you think Caesar is in this game? It hadn't crossed my mind before now, but I believe in the first certamen all of the questions were restricted to a pre-Caesar timescale. That heavily implies that this game is also set in a pre-Caesar timescale, and so the ringleader would be Pompey, meaning those who spent a lot of time and effort advancing Pompey's campaign are likely that mafia's supporting cast. So uh, Jabs.
PMJ said:
I'd rather lynch you, mord, even Yog over Jabber right now.
Yog is a curveball: why?
PMJ said:
It's clearly mafian but clearly isn't mafia because I don't believe the hosts would let you get around his safe claim with whatever you used to discern his role name, if not your own personal night action. The fact that you got that result means that Jibjab can't be scum unless you're willing to subscribe to the theory that the hosts would give him a scummy safe claim, knowing that they've been striving for historical accuracy.
I learned it through my ability but I'm not a role/name cop. There's no way the result is wrong, and has since been confirmed by Jabs, anyway.
PMJ said:
They would if they thought they could get out of it alive, and it's wifom reasoning so it's a perfect play. Notice that neither Celever nor bb actually voted for me until Samwise did, allowing them to piggyback off his double vote and push me into the lead. Celever's vote was on Samwise all day long and bb waited until Celever voted just to downplay the omgus factor as much as he could.
Stop trying to rewrite history when its so heavily recorded smh. I was vocal the entire day about how I didn't want to lynch you
or bb and that another option entirely felt preferable to me. So my vote wasn't on you because I didn't want to lynch you. Yannow, what votes are used for.
Clearly you're misinterpreting it, because you took my role name and ran with it straight to the conclusion that I'm scum. That's incorrect, so you misinterpreted it.
No, misinterpretation implies that I'm not understanding language. The role name has been interpreted correctly -- you've confirmed this -- and the conclusion that you're mafia is because
your role name is. If you want to refute the "misinterpretation", make a case that your role could be town.
Jabs said:
Can you do any better than a gut reading? Robin has highlighted some specific scummy points in their posts; you might want to either acknowledge or refute those.
Nah Robin's case is bad anyway, it literally amounts to speculation about his interactions with a mafian which no one should ever put stock into because mafians tend to be good at manipulation considering they're the informed minority and the town's headless. Due to a certamen prize (I'm not giving any more details than that b/c anti-claim mechanics) I have a decent confidence that mord is town.
Jabs said:
C'mon Cel. You've played this game long enough to know that what you've got is a pretty damn far cry from confirmation of anything.
No, I've played enough to know it's frustrating you've not been lynched already. I have your confirmed rolename, and unless you can provide a defence of your rolename
via flavour, you don't have a defence at all yet.
Jabs said:
This is getting so far into a WIFOM mindset it's absurd.
Using WIFOM to undercut an argument is WIFOM, ironically, so stop. It's incredibly weak, besides.
Jabs said:
You keep conflating role name with alignment. One is not entirely indicative of the other. Remember Luis' Harry Potter game from literal ages back where the role named Harry Potter was aligned with the scumteam?
As PMJ said, he was converted, so no this is a bad example.
A better example would be ww16 where I had all brawlers as town including villains like Bowser and ganondorf
Or the blank game where we got to pick our own characters
These are better examples but still aren't good enough: if Jabber is town that would be the equivalent to Darth Vader being town in Squirtle Squad's Star Wars game, Voldemort being town in the Harry Potter game, or Bowser being town in Lorde's Mario game. I.E. he is a villain and this is a town vs villain setup -- one based on historical accuracy, at that.
