OH! You mean the bolded, don't you Jabber? Okay, now I understand exactly where Cel was coming from when he responded to scattered earlier - and I agree with him completely. Why did Gekki have to be the one who warned Lele (if that even happened), as oppose to anyone else? I do see much more substance in the case now, realising Lele's "I'm keen about this role information, but let's not speculate about that too much" backpedal tone.
Yeah, this theory just doesn't stand up well for me. For another point, Gekki used the word "claiming" directly after (and as a response to) Lele saying "We still don't know how dangerous claiming is", so it makes more sense to me than Gekki saying something like rolefishing.
Low on time, so I have to be quick.
Justify this,
@bbninjas. Looks like a bastardisation of posts to prove a point, to me, which is a mafia tactic.
Indeed. What did you mean? :x
I thought that you were both referring to how Lele stopped role-fishing after a ton of people told him that role-fishing was a bad idea. What I
didn't realise and wasn't aware of, was when Lele rolefished and then was like "yeah, that wasn't too important". <---- This backpedal is the only evidence I really see on Lele.
A lot of his reasons for pursuing Lele have also been my reasons, which have been reasons that you've disagreed with.
I'm always distantly worried when one veteran starts agreeing with me and nobody else does because it's turned out to be pocketing more than once before, but I don't have a problem with any of scattered's reasoning so far. What in particular strikes you as a wrong reason to go after Lele?
It mainly stems from this post:
Is it though? Let's say Lele is indeed scum and then started his usual role fishing playstyle from last game. Before someone starts to put FoS on that LeLe is trying to step away from the role fishing. Would it be that unrealistic that their scumbuddy told them that they should try and stop rolefishing before they get suspicious? Also, I am going to repeat myself here but consider this later quote:
Sounds familiar? Even if it's not bbninjas, I don't see Tapu Lele coming with this kind of defense.
scattered seems to suspect Lele backpedaled
because a scumbuddy told them that rolefishing was a poor idea. It's just very WIFOMy, I don't think that's a great reason to vote for Lele. I'm pretty sure there was something else before this, but I'd have to look back. I also don't think you were pushing this specific line, Jabber, which is why I think scattered has been voting for the wrong reasons, and why you haven't necessarily been.
I don't quite understand the T_E case. Celever calling BS and saying "you're just making up a reason as to why the mafians won't kill you" is no more WIFOMy than the reasoning scattered gave above, and so I don't find it a very substantial lead. I would much prefer Lele being lynched over T_E.
Jplap and Gekki also haven't done anything particularly strange from memory, in fact Gekki seems to be calmer, and so I don't see a lynch in any of them either. I do want to remove my vote from Jplap, but I don't really have a great vote on anyone. It's between Lele, scattered and any random inactive for me. Before I realised that I had misinterpreted a bit of evidence, I did not think the Lele lead was good at all - and I still haven't been able to re-collaborate my read since then. scattered I've mentioned, but I'm not 100% that there's enough solid evidence there for me to be confident. And lynching inactive lacks information near-entirely, so that's not ideal either. Since Lele's got votes, I'm going to
##UNVOTE ##VOTE: scattered mind, but we'll see later on, once I can take a good look.
