Finished Mafia LII : The Game World
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I mean I don't think you are scum but there's not much I can do now; there's no credible coutnerwagon at this point.
Can I ask for your thoughts on Nick/BB/TE/GP, which were the four players (not counting Camo b/c we know a lot about him) that combined to almost hammer you? If you're town, who on that list has the most/l suspicious part of the pileup on you and why?
Wow holy what how does this even come from a townie? It's GamePheonix but a whole lot worse.
##UNVOTE: TOTAL_EPICNESS
##VOTE: mordacazir
I think there's a good chance this one stick for real.
This refers to the thing Camo quoted in #339.
Bb’s vote is understandable- just check is there was a contradiction
TE’s vote is suspicious because he was very careful and implied hassitation in the case on me, but in his vote he is sure and positive I am scum because of meta.
GP’s vote is similar to Jplap and Nick last game, so 50/50
Nick’s vote I don’t remember well rn. On the phone so it’s hard to go back.
TE’s vote is suspicious because he was very careful and implied hassitation in the case on me, but in his vote he is sure and positive I am scum because of meta.
GP’s vote is similar to Jplap and Nick last game, so 50/50
Nick’s vote I don’t remember well rn. On the phone so it’s hard to go back.
I wouldn't be able to tell you any specifics on who or how many people were saying that the scattered's case on Camo was silly. The important thing is that this was absolutely the general vibe of the thread - if a random player was to read this thread (especially someone backlogging), and if I was to ask them "what is the town's position on the case on Camo", they would say the town doesn't like it. So if morda looked at the thread, especially as scum when he would be more conscious of these things, he should have noticed that the town generally didnt like the Camo lynch.
I might have used those words, but I think I also said that it was only a single instance that I could see? Either way in hindsight, "manipulative" was not the best phrasing on my part since I did not agree with the connotations that come with that word, that Camo was deliberately being manipulative (a better read would be "Camo did not interpret the situation correctly").
So, NP's reads progression is definitely all over the place. Let's take a look at how NP has read scattered:
NP has read scattered like this: Neutral -> a little Scummy / Neutral -> Townie -> Scummy. But there hasn't been any new evidence or significant developments that relate to scattered between this period! So there's some clear inconsistencies in NP's reads progression.
Let's see NP's progression on mord:
These posts are pretty self-explanatory. NP has flopped around the morda wagon a ton. I don't even understand why - in the late game - he voted morda (because he was lurking??), why he unvoted (because morda wasn't around???) and why he voted again (?). His progression is something like this: Votes (for pressure) -> Unvotes -> Votes again (wanting his lynch) -> unvotes -> revotes.
NP is a great lynch candidate for Day 2.
Puts scattered as neutral, claims that his responses are not indicative (see underlined), but in the bolded, say he's townier. Agrees that some points are scummy.
Continues to assert that some points for scattered's scumminess are legitimate.
NP says that scattered is , yet in the same post, NP agreed that scattered has evidence that would indicate scumminess! The kicker is that NP's readlist actually reflects that they're both neutral, not town. What's the progression from finding scattered neutral, to finding him townie?
Later on, NP does some analysis of scattered's past meta to determine that his response after being 'hammered' was townie.
This post doesn't explicitly state NP's reads on scattered, but the scum evidence given seems to outweigh the town (the scum evidence is continuous and more substantial, whereas the town evidence is based on a single post), so we've got the vibes suggesting that NP thinks scattered is scummier now. However... NP's actions show that he still doesn't want to vote scattered.
NP has read scattered like this: Neutral -> a little Scummy / Neutral -> Townie -> Scummy. But there hasn't been any new evidence or significant developments that relate to scattered between this period! So there's some clear inconsistencies in NP's reads progression.
Let's see NP's progression on mord:
During mid-Day 1:
During late Day 1: these next three votes all happened within the same couple of pages (so in close succession).
During late Day 1: these next three votes all happened within the same couple of pages (so in close succession).
These posts are pretty self-explanatory. NP has flopped around the morda wagon a ton. I don't even understand why - in the late game - he voted morda (because he was lurking??), why he unvoted (because morda wasn't around???) and why he voted again (?). His progression is something like this: Votes (for pressure) -> Unvotes -> Votes again (wanting his lynch) -> unvotes -> revotes.
NP is a great lynch candidate for Day 2.
Nothing about reading wrong. Undoubtedly manipulative. This is not just tossed as manipulative. I guess town will judge for themselves tomorrow.
Oh, can we also point out that NinjaPenguin's read on Camoclone in his reads list is an absolute cop out?
@Camoclone (maybe @PMJ) Thoughts on scattered now that they're scumhunting instead of focusing on defending themself / pushing your lynch?
@Camoclone (maybe @PMJ) Thoughts on scattered now that they're scumhunting instead of focusing on defending themself / pushing your lynch?
He’s scumhunting???
Ugh this point is quite good too on morda, but I really don't like voting Camo when you see scattered as "probably scum" and the two are never s/s (along with the "fmpov" comment to a degree). But the fact that scattered is town probably, and there's not good motivation to anger Camo the Bear as scum if scattered is town, morda's probably just town? Everyone is "probably town" at this point though smh; I couldn't give anybody an over 40% scum chance right now.
I guess I'm just waiting for scattered's flip, since whatever I'm on will be some cute wagon with no traction probably. I guess I'm at TE/morda being neck-and-neck to me? They both force people to reveal where they really stand, just in quite different ways. I think I like how morda does it more for now.
Nah the posts after he thinks he was hammered are quite clearing to me. Also lol at you not understanding being a townie by the numbers.
On Morda, I think my unvote reason the second time tells you exactly why I was on that wagon: I wanted to see how GamePheonix would react to it. Never got that one though and I thought it was as trashy as you said until Camo quoted that post, which is really bad.
Gtg but will be back an hour before EoD. Good luck until then.
Is this comment on how I am potentially being contradictory not something you'd consider scumhunting?
You are waiting for scattered's flip to inform your reads, yet you have been contributing very little towards his lynch, and have instead been somewhat actively pushing against it? That's another blip in your progression.
...but you then admitted that the evidence was weak, or at least, no where near as strong as you thought? (See bold in spoiler)
Huh? How was that vote supposed to get a reaction from GP??
I'm actually much busier than I thought, I'm sadly going to have to drop.
If you are town(which I'm thoroughly confused about now) and scattered is town(which is my current belief), part of me believes that scum may keep you around for similar reasons why Drac and I did last game with PMJ... to aide in a pushed lynch on someone else. Aside from that, I'm totally clueless. I'm all over the place with the algorithms of this game and the players I don't really know.
Earlier in the game you said that you thought SM was scum why the sudden change?
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But you should be able to, because it's your claim that the camo lynch was not only agreed upon, but widely so. If the case was so widely accepted as hokey, it should be fairly easy to find supporting evidence somewhere.
Okay. How would they know the town doesn't like it? The general vibe of the thread was all over the place - scattered mind has been a consistent theme but other threads have been pulled over the course of the day, including the case on Camoclone. How is it obvious that the town doesn't like the Camoclone lynch specifically, as opposed to the GP lynch (which I still wouldn't be opposed to) or the mord lynch? Remember, you said that the idea that the case on Camo was widely agreed upon as bad, and I don't know anyone who outright said it was stupid (and explained why) other than me.
Still a good d1 lynch. Any scumhunting he does between now and end of day is cool if he flips town, otherwise he's just wasting our time, and no stock should be put in anything he says until we see his flip.
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