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bbninjas said:
So, the interesting things:

-- We have a doctor (who can self-protect), a bullet-proof and a lynch-proof. I'm especially irked by the fact that NP has a both a role-block and a lynch-proof - that's two significant roles, and very much unlike all the other claims we've seen so far. I'm definitely inclined to believe NP the least out of that lot.
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So am I, but I'm starting to think he's telling the truth.

bbninjas said:
-- We had a Camoclone nightkill, over a nightkill on Rez or Nick. Additionally, why didn't the team kill Camo over Rez (or morda) Night 2? Then, why Camo and not NP / PMJ / myself or some other veteran player? The reasons I can think of are: a) Camo was on the right track b) the scum let Camo lead a few mislynches, but now feared that he would start pushing them c) the scumteam are all-new.
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Can we please make it illegal to speculate about why a player was night killed? There are a thousand and one reasons to choose basically any player. What's the point? Can you ever definitively prove why someone was picked? If you're not scum, then of course you can't. It's all wifom anyway. Just stop.

bbninjas said:
Catching up on things:

- Has Rez claimed having an Ability that went along with their bulletproof?
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How well are you catching up if this is one of the first questions you ask? Why don't you just find out by searching his posts, or, like, the last few pages?

bbninjas said:
- RE: Lele, there focus on roles seems like they are highly uninformed and trying to piece together plenty of information; being uninformed is exactly what town is.
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He's textbook active lurking. He's not participating any further than to find out people's role information; he spends all his time deciphering what happened in the day update instead of trying to find scum. I can't understand how both NP and Camo believe so strongly in him when at worst he's a policy lynch and at best he's just new scum.


bbninjas said:
Responding to PMJ:
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I wasn't talking to you. What made you think I was? I was asking NP that and you've gone and dirtied the water.

bbninjas said:
I didn't have any good reasons for Rez being the nightkill. "Because the scum wanted to kill someone with little significance to limit the information" doesn't make much sense to me, since there were other options that made minimal contributions, so they didn't have to kill a new player.
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More nightkill speculation. I've half a mind to vote you on this.

Anyone else feeling a Lele/bb scum team? Because that's lookin' real good right now.

I gotta look over T_E's posts again but he's in third place on my scum-o-meter for now. I'll check in later.
 
I haven’t seen anything to pin BB as anything but town (unless I missed something) if there is evidence to indicate he’s scum then could you explain it to me? Cause right now BB is leaning town for me
I didn’t bid on anything last night.
 
Oh, did you think I was lurking all day and able to answer questions any time? Well too bad, I was at work doing a job for 9 hours. Maybe it appeared like I keep viewing the thread because my brother leaves the window open as he plays Roblox on my computer.

@NinjaPenguin
Bid was 48 Points on Sly Deal, which went through. TBH, I was going for forced deal, but I stupidly mixed up the names :x. I wanted nab it before someone else did so that I could keep my items safe. I honestly have no idea what to do with this thing.

And if you are still wondering about not mentioning Camo's "confirmed townieness" earlier, I will say that I wanted to reserve that info for when it was actually needed rather than spout it out first thing and have it not bear any weight when it might have mattered. Plus, I figured that it would be more important to see how people treat camo without this information than after saying it.

But I did at least hint at it numerous times before his death.
Tapu Lele said:
Something else tells me that Camo is absolutely town...
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Tapu Lele said:
On top of what's been, mord keeps trying to make a case on Camo, who is just emanating townie vibes.
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Tapu Lele said:
PS - why are you guys even spending time on a Camo Lynch?
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Not lurking. Active lurking. It's in the terminology guide, look it up.
 
I caught on to your posts. Camo was so adamant about not lynching you that I thought you two were masons. That's why I initially backed off. But now he's dead and you guys aren't masons so you've gone right back up to the top of my scum list :D I mean, no one seems to have any real reasons why you're town and your posts are pretty bad. It's between you, bb, and T_E and you look like the easiest to string up.

@TOTAL_EPICNESS bb is scum through process of elimination. The only way he isn't is if roz lied about being protected, and I've been in contact with hosts to confirm whether or not no-kill is allowed. If it's not, then roz is clear, unless he's a big fat liar. Actually, that would be a pretty ballsy play now that I think of it. I hope roz is scum now.
 
Tapu Lele said:
Also,Wwho used telepathy link on me?
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I'm going to bump this because this question is important. No one except NinjaPenguin expected the items to be publicly revealed, and we would have easily assumed that this was an ability.

If it was scum, then the targets should definitely be both town.
If it was town, then the targets should likely be those that town thinks are mafia.

Bb was never publicly on anyone's scum list up until today. Why was he a target of this ability?
 
What ability?

I've always been suspicious of bb.
 
Drac just confirmed to me that the night kill is optional. roz isn't clear anymore.
 
Eh, I'm willing to think he's town though. It's more risky to assume he's lying, and if he is, I'll just congratulate his cool plan later.
 
All right. T_E's posts read pretty town to me so far, he handled Lele's horseshit case against him pretty well and didn't crack under pressure. I'll give him a few town points for that. Something about bb's posts don't sit well with me but I need to read back to see just what it is or if it's all in my head.

What I do know is that Tapu Lele is the king scum lord. His game is probably Candy Land or some dumb shit like that. I'd do that if I were Drac.

If anyone can offer up real, solid reasons why Tapu Lele is actually town then I'll gladly unvote. Or not, I might just think you're his scum buddy unless you are massively convincing. If I'd remembered Camo was actually not a mason I would have pressured him more for info.

There's also the other role swapper out there, how strange no one else has reported role shenanigans.

##vote Tapu Lele
 
bbninjas said:
So, the interesting things:

-- We have a doctor (who can self-protect), a bullet-proof and a lynch-proof. I'm especially irked by the fact that NP has a both a role-block and a lynch-proof - that's two significant roles, and very much unlike all the other claims we've seen so far. I'm definitely inclined to believe NP the least out of that lot.
-- We had a Camoclone nightkill, over a nightkill on Rez or Nick. Additionally, why didn't the team kill Camo over Rez (or morda) Night 2? Then, why Camo and not NP / PMJ / myself or some other veteran player? The reasons I can think of are: a) Camo was on the right track b) the scum let Camo lead a few mislynches, but now feared that he would start pushing them c) the scumteam are all-new.

Catching up on things:

- Has Rez claimed having an Ability that went along with their bulletproof?
- RE: Lele, there focus on roles seems like they are highly uninformed and trying to piece together plenty of information; being uninformed is exactly what town is.
- If NP showed that it didn't really care if he was lynched or not (because of the talking stump thing) the previous day, then that would be a pretty good indicator that he does in fact have a lynch-proof. However, I'm not fully convinced that this is the case. Like, you weren't really that much of an option in the first place. My initial suspicions got ignored, and then you barely got enough votes to be considered fairly competitive with whatever was the current option (from what I remember), so of course you didn't need to be that defensive. Plus, theres:


Why did you feel the need to claim, or feel the need to ask the town whether or not you will claim, if you would still 'live' after death? Why did it matter?


Why did you self-pres so much - instead of pushing for whoever you honestly felt like was scum - when it didn't really matter if you got lynched?

Responding to PMJ:

I didn't have any good reasons for Rez being the nightkill. "Because the scum wanted to kill someone with little significance to limit the information" doesn't make much sense to me, since there were other options that made minimal contributions, so they didn't have to kill a new player.
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Roleblocker is literally useless stop thinking in any other way.

Of course I do those things because after the kill was blocked my (secret so I could get info goal was to get mislynched and have info going into the next day while maintaining numbers. So I did what scum Penguin does: ask people if he needs to claim instead of knowing the moment is right himself like town penguin and not sticking to pushing his convictions and moving instead to self-pres.
I was in real contention; if you swapped to me I was in the lead I'm p sure.
PMJ said:
Eh, I'm willing to think he's town though. It's more risky to assume he's lying, and if he is, I'll just congratulate his cool plan later.
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No, eevee is known (offsite, which is how I know him) for scumplay and townplay with huge mechanical risks. It's the foundation of his game.
PMJ said:
All right. T_E's posts read pretty town to me so far, he handled Lele's horseshit case against him pretty well and didn't crack under pressure. I'll give him a few town points for that. Something about bb's posts don't sit well with me but I need to read back to see just what it is or if it's all in my head.

What I do know is that Tapu Lele is the king scum lord. His game is probably Candy Land or some dumb shit like that. I'd do that if I were Drac.

If anyone can offer up real, solid reasons why Tapu Lele is actually town then I'll gladly unvote. Or not, I might just think you're his scum buddy unless you are massively convincing. If I'd remembered Camo was actually not a mason I would have pressured him more for info.

There's also the other role swapper out there, how strange no one else has reported role shenanigans.

##vote Tapu Lele
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@PMJ Lele derped himself town when he thought there were no safeclaims in this game. BB will literally never be his scumbuddy b/c if this is intentional, BB didn't pick up on it at all.

I still want bid claims and/or TE comments from:
@TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK
@PMJ (Bid claim)
@bbninjas
@TOTAL_EPICNESS (Bid claim)
@roz_the_eevee (TE comment)
 
Wait I can't read I thought there was another Judgment Scale last night from what eevee was saying earlier today. No need for bid claims from last night nevermind.
 
Vote Count Day 03 #1

Majority to lynch is 4

The following vote count is valid as of Post #710

0 - TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK - Tapu Lele #631
1 - @Tapu Lele - PMJ #710

*This vote count doesn't reflect the actual vote weight of each player, if any.
*If the voting ends in a tie, the player who got the first tie vote will be lynched.

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D3 - BONUS QUEST
Quest Name : Ready Aim Fire
Requirement :
  • Each player need to PM me one of the following action
  • Shoot (accompanied by another Living or Dead Players’ name),
  • Defend
  • Do Nothing.
  • If you Do Nothing you will received 15 Shooter Point
  • If you Shoot someone, that player will lose 10 Shooter Points, however if that player chooses Defend, you will lose 10 Shooter Points instead.
  • If you Defend yourself but no one shoots you, you will lose 5 Shooter Points
  • If you Shoot someone that didn’t submit any action, you will gain 5 Shooter Points
  • This Bonus Quest will consist of 5 rounds
  • You send all you action together but please indicate what action you are going to used for each round
Rewards :
The person with the highest score for each round will gain 20 Game Points

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Day 3 will end at 5th August 1PM [GMT +8] (Timer)
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Auction Day 3

Each player may sent in a Bid for one of the item only.
Player who bids the most Game Point for that item will received it at the end of this phase. Minimum Bid is 10 Points.
Please sent in your Bids before the Day ends.

To Send in your Bid simply PM me the name item you wish to bid and the amount you want to bid.
Once a bid is sent you can’t change it.

Items List are as follow.
Purse Spy - During the day/night, PM me the name of a player. You will be told how many Game Points that player has.
Constraining Tunic - During the day/night, PM me the name of a player. During the next phase, that player will not be able to use any item.
Random Box - During the day/night, PM me the name of an Item on the auction. During that phase, the player purchasing that Item will received a random Item not listed in the auction instead.
Invisible Cloak - During the day/night , PM me the name of a player. During the next phase, you will steal one of their items.
Forced Deal - During the day/night, PM me the names of two players. During the next phase, both players items will be swapped with each other. This Item can’t be duplicate by any ability.
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Why are you asking for bids again?

@roz_the_eevee quote your role pm.
 
PMJ said:
Why are you asking for bids again?

@roz_the_eevee quote your role pm.
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I'm not anymore but I was because I wanted to see if anybody held that double vote (which would make today potentially MYLO instead of having one safety lynch) that might be scum, since eevee said something that made me think I missed a double vote bid last night.
 
@GM DracLord vote is wrong, shows bb instead of me.

If Lele and bb are town then the scum is roz and T_E and I'm not subscribing to that theory yet.
 
A rough reads-list

I did forget to claim being the person who swapped Camo's role Night 0. Specifically, I had that "get the same Item used on someone else" Ability that I had to give to someone else in exchange for their Ability; choosing Camo since I figured that if he was town, he would use it very well; if he was scum, I gather some info and nullify a potential scum-role.

Okay, so Camo was adamant about not lynching Lele and Nick. Both of those players would absolutely want to keep Camo around for that vocal anti-lynch support, and would not kill off Camo when there were plenty of other options (vets and soft-clears alike) to choose from. Townie points to both Lele and Nick.

Townie points to Rez for claiming bulletproof and pushing Nick to some extent (because he prevented no kill unlike what he claimed). There was zilch need for Rez to draw attention to himself if he was scum - except maybe to 'unclear' morda (although any person would logically just interrogate Nick further to extract the full story).

That leaves NP / PMJ / TE.

@NinjaPenguin I'm not following your response here. Are you saying that you acted like scum NP to intentionally get mislynched, to get information? What information were you going to get (examples?)? Why did you expect that the town to know your play so well, that they would pick up on such small meta-based "evidence" for your lynch? ##VOTE: NP for now

@PMJ Why are you throwing plenty of shade in my direction right now, yet your actions show that you are pushing for a Lele lynch? I'd absolutely expect you to set-up future mislynches in this way if you were scum.

@TOTAL_EPICNESS Why are you town? Right now you are on my list by process of elimination

PMJ said:
I wasn't talking to you. What made you think I was? I was asking NP that and you've gone and dirtied the water.
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Am I only allowed to respond to you when you direct a question at me? You said that "you don't see how someone could have no idea [on why Rez would be nightkilled]", and I decided to say that not knowing was fine, since the kill choice makes no sense to me as well.
 
No.
 
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