1) I guess I could find it and quote it. Still don't see what is scummy about it.
You brought it up despite knowing that there was no substance to it. If there was substance, you wouldn't have ignored it for all of D2. If you had actually wanted to add it to the case on D3, you would have made it explicit by quoting it. Saying "I was the first one to vote Amici, look here if you don't believe me" is just a grab for towncred.
When you said that, did you mean to use it as an actual point against Amici, or not?
2) By the time of the Celever wagon I was gone due to IRL stuff. I guess I would pursue it more if I was playing the game at that period of time - you can see the first post I posted and quoted later on that shows that I have returned back to the game after disappearing.
You fell off the Amici wagon long before you hopped on the Celever wagon. You stopped asking her questions and even unvoted her to vote Lily instead.
3) I read Jade/Lily and Amici scummy together- I decided to first pursue Lily and Jade and then I had to disappear because of IRL stuff. Being scum is not the only explanation unless that is your goal to prove that I'm scum.
I can understand IRL stuff; ik it was your birthday near the beginning of D2 (I wasn't in the game at the time, so /late but happy birthday) — but you made like four posts there in which you asked Vom, Lily, and Celever one question each and then parked your vote on
bb. Do you actually expect me to believe that you decided to pursue Lily and Jade and come back to Amici later, when you asked Lily one question, Jade zero questions, and then voted
a different player entirely?
Trying to figure out which pairs of players fit tofether or not as scums is what I meant by puzzle solving- How is this scummy?
You said you were keeping stuff back because you "didn't want any microread to affect your judgment." But as town, you would have had
nothing else to go on. I don't know how you were coming up with these potential scumteams, but it sound like it was based wholly off player interactions and not at all off scumtells or (micro)reads. Only scum devises baseless scenarios like that (especially so early in D1), because they
need to construct an alternate scumteam scenario to push.
I don't know how many ways I can say it.
It's the order you were thinking in — devising hypothetical scumteams and
then seeing how they fit in with reality. Town would look at scumtells, or ask questions if they can't find any, and
then eventually they've got enough to be confident that somebody's scum. That's not to say that town
never deals in abstract hypotheticals — MYLO/LYLO is often a good time to consider them — but at the beginning of D1? Scum have sooooo much more reason than town to be thinking that way.
Adding to that what I already said before- I didn't have questions to ask Amici further at that time. Maybe I needed to ask but I really didn't have anything to do but repeating myself.
I've been repeating myself for like two pages now about this very subject. If a townie is not satisfied with an answer, they ask their question again. Dropping the line of questioning so they can just bring it up again later if FoS ever lands on that player is a scummy mindset.
@Vom - I read you as town funnily enough because of the case you made on me. It feels very likely to come from town plus your vote on Mega. I get that you think that me agreeing with mega was alarming to you that we were scumbuddies - but I think your main issue with me is the lack of transperency -
The fact that I don't reveal my full rainbow list to people is not scummy - It comes from the idea that my reads are being read by scum and can be used like that. Which is ironically something I learned from Camoclone of all people. Revealing your full readlist early on can help scum more than town. Also if you need meta proofs- I did a full early readlist as scum. So not only that is not alignment indicative it is also not meta indicative on me.
Nah, not sharing a full rainbow is different from not sharing any reads at all. You kept
everything back until the "Amici silent/Vom town/Eph chaotic/Lily scum" post. This is a moot point here because it's not inherently alignment-indicative, but this post doesn't clarify your earlygame play.
@Jabberwock - You kinda avoided this- I mean you quoted it but your response was "I already explained" - This is a comment on point 1 of your explanation.
bb had a case on Vom, and a refutal of the case on you. I didn't have the time to do more than skim either of those posts, so no, I didn't fully understand them. But I had a strong townread of bb and I know from prior experience that when he's town, he's worth listening to. If he felt
that strongly that my case on you was garbage and that his case on Vom was better, then I wasn't prepared to dismiss his posts out of hand and just "trust my instincts." But I didn't have time to read those posts, so I wasn't able to decide for myself which of us was wrong.
I switched because if one of us had to be wrong, better we miselim Vom than you, because Vom was much more likely to have been primed. There simply wasn't enough time to reach a higher level of confidence.
Of course, since then, I've had time to go back and read bb's refutal of my case on you, and I found that it wasn't particularly strong after all. Hence my vote on you, and hence the last few pages that have brought us to here.
