Let's go over all of bbninjas posts real quick.
I clicked this thread thinking I could just get a quick vote in before I go AFK... only to promptly click out upon realising that there are already three pages. e.e'
I see that you've met Camoclone, Megapod (and Mariano). He's a character! ^.^
I had absolutely no clue what Camoclone was talking about regarding the seer thing until he reexplained: basically we all pretend to be seers (making up results if you aren't a seer), so that the real seer can hide amongst the fake results. It makes sense if not completely wild... assuming that there's actually a seer. I don't think two people misunderstanding it means we can't do it; I would actually expect the true seer to feign (or truly feel) uncertainty/be skeptical, and even then its just WIFOM - mafia are no more ahead of pinpointing seers because of people's reactions to the discussion thus far.
Anyways, I got to go. ta o/
Thanks for getting a quick post in. Everyone please clearly look at how bbninjas provides nothing of substance here at all. He kindly informs us of his activity level. He mentions that I'm a character. And finally he posts a reaction to the mass claim seer. Nothing particularly wrong yet but note that nothing in this post is helpful to town at all. He does nothing to advance the town win condition in such a long post.
The next posts are from Jabberwock and are before bbninjas next post. Note the italicized stuff.
An excellent excuse not to ever have to bus your scumbuddy.
How do you know that lordo has mafia experience? Because she mentioned it in your scumchat?
No it doesn't.
Veteran player trying to distance themselves from inexperienced scumbuddy.
Trying awfully hard to agree with everyone, aren't you?
Or just ask your buddies in your scumchat,
@Professor_jplap.
Will note that you didn't actually "get a quick vote in".
This. So much this.
Buddying. Hard.
If somebody accuses somebody else of being scum in their results, they're either true seer or have a vested interest in getting that other player lynched (I.E., they're scum). This is also why I disagree with Camo's plan––there's no logical reason for seer to actually let everybody else know that they scanned scum.
Mhm. That's called scum hunting. ^.^
You'll forgive me if I don't take your word for it.
Yeah that's buddying.
That's not the suspicious bit. It's that you––who've never played in a game with Camo––suddenly know all about his playstyle to the point where you're willing to defend it to other people. Where would you have picked this up? From your scumchat?
Glad to know you agree with me on everything else. That's most of my post, btw.
Not willing to say anything further on this until jplap responds. You should know why. Will happily discuss it further once he does.
And this makes you confident enough that you know how Camo plays that you're down to dismiss a case on those grounds?
Jabberwock makes some excellent points about Gekki but then bbninjas just jumps on the wagon with the next post.
Gekki, why so quick to bandwagon on the Mariano case? What’s even good about it?
I know! I know! Every single game you play and hard push someone within the first page of posts!
He asks Gekki a different question but it's in the same vein as Jabberwock. Again, not a contribution. He has no original thoughts yet. This is only his second post of the game though! Let's give him some time to actually post something of substance.
For someone getting up Jabber for assuming, I find it hilarious that you have been operating under the assumption that Camo is town (this is shown in the bolded; it’s only bull, you don’t consider it to be scummy). I’m putting it down to Camo choosing to scan you as inno.
Okay he just continues to echo what others have been saying. No original thoughts.
Jabber is the only player striking me as particulalry inno at the moment.
Okay well this is weird. Instead of talking about a potential lead he chooses the incredibly safe post of saying he thinks someone is innocent. About half a day into day one? lololololol. Let's quickly cover why this is incredibly scummy.
- He hasn't posted anything relevant yet.
- By posting that you think a player is town you don't stick your neck out at all.
- It's day one.
This is just overall playing it incredibly safe. That coupled with the fact that he literally hasn't posted any new thought yet and is just piggybacking on others poorly is incredibly suspicious.
@Jabber Regarding my lack of voting; enough discussion had passed so that voting for the sake of voting would be rather pointless (especially if I’m not around any time after that). I would have liked to make a pressure vote at least, but I hadn’t read anything thoroughly enough to actually know who I’d like to pressure.
That also conveniently answers your more recent question, Jabber; yes, I’m still on mobile and still haven’t had the chance to read properly yet. If you say that my recent questioning is not scumhunting, then I have no clue what you’re expecting.
@Metapod, I’m pretty confident that Gekki would have explicitly said Camo was scummy if he thought as such. Gekki confirmed that my interpretation of his post was correct anyway.
Okay well his first point is incredibly scummy. Voting is the only tool town has to win and the fact that he refuses to use it means he's trying to play incredibly safe. The italicized part just is silly. There should be tons of people he wants to pressure. Why not Gekki? It's just so confusing and so safe.
I'm shaking in my boots! I mean, of course my posts will stand out - along with MegaPod and Mariano, and bar a few instances of others, they appear to be the only ones you are reading.
Okay irrelevant post.
Can you please actually restate your reasons in future, instead of sending me off looking for them? If you actually know why you voted, then it'd take five seconds for you to repeat it and will save everyone the hassle.
Okay
Innohunting is a very important part of scumhunting, actually.
We've already covered this.
I don't like doing this regularly because when scum know exactly what the town are thinking, they can very easily manipulate them or be more on guard. Many a scum are caught when their guard is down.
Okay but again, not relevant to furthering the town's win condition.
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Camo is spamming walls of text, which will either intentionally or unintentionally overwhelm the people he's tunneling. It doesn't produce true responses from them, forces momentum (not always a good thing), and gets flustered people lynched (both innocents and mafians).
Bang! Now our boy decides to throw this little quip in. He feels pressured by me and decides to try and shift the momentum and start guiding discussion. Not that this is again just a subtle thing that doesn't mean anything.
Bolded. Nothing in this post furthers the town win condition.
Nope, at this stage calling a player innocent looking does really more harm than good. One decent read from Jabberwock and he strikes you as innocent? Way too early to be in the clear, you bet it raises questionmarks...
YES, because town doesn't need to try and get information to decide a lynch. That's what you find scummy about Camo? The fact that he presses for player's roles? Are you tunneling that hard on Camoclone? Let me ask this, would you rather vote for him than jplap?
Ding ding ding. I'm impressed Robin. BBninjas raises a ton of question marks. Robin understands that you need information to get a lynch but for some reason the veteran bbninjas has completely forgot how to add original thoughts that scumhunt.
Yeah, it does actually? I am reading him as innocent currently.
I don't see you having a problem with Camo, who is already reading three people as "obvious scum", nor anyone else who has been reading people mafia, which is strange because by this same logic, it is way too early to be in the clear about mafians too.
And bang. Again, here it is. Just a defense. Robin understands how you play mafia but for some reason the veteran bbninjas has seemed to forget how to contribute. Nothing thus far has been of any use to town.
Right, except that there needs to be someone I find particularly scummy first, before I call them out. In the meantime, I'm asking questions and responding to other's questions.
What are your thoughts on what Camoclone has contributed? He has posted quite a bit as of late after all.
lol. I don't need to explain this crap do I?? He's just been playing passive and safe all game.
