Malamar EX / Darkrai / Hydreigon

[Dainn]

Malamar EX / Darkrai / Hydreigon doesn't quite cover it but I think there the main Pokes in this build lol

Pokemon (16):

• 
  Yveltal x 2 (XY Base)
  Yveltal Ex x 1 (XY Base)
  Malamar Ex x 2 (PF)
  Darkrai Ex x 2 (LT)
  Darkrai x 2 (XY promo 22)
  Deino x 3 (LT)
  Zweilous x 2 (LT)
  Hydreigon x 2 (LT)

Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums (32):

• 
  Vs Seeker x 2
  Enhanced Hammer x 2
  Professor's Letter x 2
  Startling Megaphone x 2
  Silver Bangle x 2
  Rare Candy x 2
  Trick coin x 2
  Ultra Ball x 3
  Skyla x 2
  N x 2
  Colress x 3
  Professor Sycamore x 3
  Pokemon Fan Club x 2
  Lysandre x 2
  Computer Search x 1

Energy (12):

• 
  Darkness Energy x 8
  Rainbow Energy x 4

Strategy:

Garbodor Counter: Megaphone the item card or Lysandre and Knock out

Pyroar Counter: Its not ideal but get Hydreigon out ASAP and 1HKO it

Fighting Type Counter: 2 Yveltals to whittle away HP, get you energy from discard, and wall them with fighting resistance and 1 Yveltal Ex to wreck them.

Ill just outline the main points of this deck with bullet points XD

• Energy acceleration with Yveltal feeding your bench with discarded energy from the result of Ultra Balls, Computer Search or Sycamore
• Darkrai Ex for free retreat
• Malamars ability puts your opponents active pokemon to sleep when you attach a dark energy to him and Hydreigon transfers the energy where you want like to Darkrai who can then attack with Deep Wind for 120 and heals 30HP meaning the rainbow energy can also go to him and then transfered wherever you like because he'll be healing himself the 10 damage when attacking
• Malamar also becomes an option to use as an attacker with trick coin, 4 energy on him and trick coin should have him dealing at least 120
• Yveltal Ex just because hes still a heavy hitter and works well with Hydreigon energy transfer to easily give him enough to 1HKO any Ex and with luck any mega Ex you might be staring down

 

[Dainn]

I know I should just edit my original post but i want the added bump so here's more behind the strategy:

The main attackers in this deck are Yveltal and Darkrai so what you ideally want is to attack with Yveltal for 30 and get that discarded energy then Dark cloak retreat to attack with Darkrai(promo) the next turn for 120 for a 2 turn total hit of 150 but that's just short of the 180 HP most Ex's have which is why I added 2 Silver bangle to the deck to get that Ex knockout between the 2 of them.

 

[bbninjas]

Is suggest removing the baby Darkrai completely and adding more yveltal EX. What you should be doing is attaching a dark onto Malamar then moving it across to yveltal. You would do more damage that way.

 

[froggy025]

• Malamar also becomes an option to use as an attacker with trick coin, 4 energy on him and trick coin should have him dealing at least 120

On average, Malamar-EX does :

With no Tool:		060 for 2, 090 for 3, 120 for 4
With Trick Coin:	072 for 2, 105 for 3, 137 for 4
With Muscle Band:	080 for 2, 110 for 3, 140 for 4

Trick Coin < Muscle Band.

 

[Dainn]

Is suggest removing the baby Darkrai completely and adding more yveltal EX. What you should be doing is attaching a dark onto Malamar then moving it across to yveltal. You would do more damage that way.

The main draw to using Darkrai over Yveltal Ex is that your opponent is only taking 1 prize card when knocking out Darkrai and unless Yveltal Ex is getting a 1HKO then the difference between dealing 120 damage or 160 doesn't really amount to much when your attacking a second time either way and without Darkrai your keeping the 10 damage from each rainbow energy

On average, Malamar-EX does :

With no Tool:		060 for 2, 090 for 3, 120 for 4
With Trick Coin:	072 for 2, 105 for 3, 137 for 4
With Muscle Band:	080 for 2, 110 for 3, 140 for 4

Trick Coin < Muscle Band.

When looking at coin flip probability you don't look at the total amount of flips but the individual flip chance because each flip is still 50% even if you manage 3 heads, it doesn't mean the chance of getting tails on the fourth flip is any greater. So with 4 flips getting 4 tails is as likely as 2 tails and 2 heads so I still feel that trick coin is the better option

 

[froggy025]

When looking at coin flip probability you don't look at the total amount of flips but the individual flip chance because each flip is still 50% even if you manage 3 heads, it doesn't mean the chance of getting tails on the fourth flip is any greater. So with 4 flips getting 4 tails is as likely as 2 tails and 2 heads so I still feel that trick coin is the better option

Absolutely not. When flipping 4 heads you have more chances or flipping 2 heads and 2 tails than flipping 4 heads.

These are basic probabilities, if you argue against that you basically argue against logic and mathematics.

 

[Dainn]

Absolutely not. When flipping 4 heads you have more chances or flipping 2 heads and 2 tails than flipping 4 heads.

These are basic probabilities, if you argue against that you basically argue against logic and mathematics.

This is actually a topic that's been debated a lot in math and science and I love how we can get into such a deep topic from playing Pokemon XD

http://www.askamathematician.com/2014/01/q-if-you-flip-a-coin-forever-are-you-guaranteed-to-eventually-flip-an-equal-number-of-heads-and-tails/

There conclusion was that in practice you see an even amount of heads and tails 90% of the time after flipping a coin 64 times. In a bigger scale of flips I completely agree with you that you should expect to see close to the same amount of heads as tails but when its a smaller scale of only 4 flips its a lot more randomized.

 

[Mora]

I've had this same debate with a lot of my other friends. This much is true. When you flip four coins in a row, there are sixteen possible outcomes. In only one of those outcomes are all four of them heads. Flipping exactly two heads and two tails is the most common outcome with six out of sixteen. Either way, I think we can all agree that Yveltal EX is a better attacker than Malamar EX anyways.

I fear this thread has potential to get off topic, so if you want to continue this discussion, I'd suggest you take it to Profile comments. Alternatively, I'm sure this would generate some discussion in Competitive Play. It's just that the OP most likely wants some sort of constructive criticism, even though I do find this topic quite interesting.

 

[Dainn]

It's just that the OP most likely wants some sort of constructive criticism, even though I do find this topic quite interesting.

Thanks Mora, lets just leave trick coin with Malamar as a matter of personal opinion XD I also agree that Yveltal Ex is the better attacker but I wanted to come up with a deck that specifically uses Malamars ability in the best possible way which can hinder your opponent greatly unless they run Virizion or steel shelter. Yveltal Ex is also less reliable now that enhanced hammer is back to crush double colorless energies and with this deck losing a rainbow energy doesn't hurt it at all.

 

[Dainn]

After some play testing and discussion with people at my local card shop I came up with adjustments, edited my original post with the changes.