Manga Scanlation Crackdown
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omahanime said:
And yet, not a single "Beat, The Vandal Buster." in stock at Barnes in Noble.
This whole dang thing is gonna backfire on them. People are going to be so ticked off that they will just stop reading all together. I honestly start freaking out at the thought of having to wait months and months for the next update of Bleach. Unless they can figure out how to release chapters here the same day the come out in Japan (and them being up to date. ie 505 Naruto comes out the same day here as there. ). If not i have no doubt this is going to be apocalyptic for manga here for the next 8 months. No one wants to wait that long for manga. I have no problem buying them, because it supports what your reading, and im willing to cough up the cash but having to deal with the thought of being months behind Japan, knowing the conclusion to whatever im reading may already arrived or may have ended entirely and that i won't get to it for months is horrible. Think fast publishers hell is on its way. I wish there was someway i could read the hate mail they will be getting ;_;.
omahanime said:
Ok, I don't have a credit card/paypal account. Now what?
^You can always try your local Kinokunia (sp?) shop.
I buy all of my manga (both english & japanese one's (I even get Jp YGO/V Jump's)) from there...but they can be a bit pricey (even when you have to catch the train from your place into the city).
The most expencive item I ever got from there was a Jp V-Jump that had: E. Hero Neos Knight (from the YGO: 5D's/YGO 10th Anniv Movie) which costed me: AUD$25.00.
I buy all of my manga (both english & japanese one's (I even get Jp YGO/V Jump's)) from there...but they can be a bit pricey (even when you have to catch the train from your place into the city).
The most expencive item I ever got from there was a Jp V-Jump that had: E. Hero Neos Knight (from the YGO: 5D's/YGO 10th Anniv Movie) which costed me: AUD$25.00.
Light Venusaur said:
That's not the point I'm trying to make. The point is that finding it and ordering it are fairly hard, and that it would be much easier, cheaper, and practical for the average fan to read their manga online. These companies don't provide a function that many websites do. And it's not like they're loosing sales. No one will lose their job over it, you're never going to see Hiromu Arakawa standing on a street corner asking for food because her latest issue didn't sell well enough.
Omahanime's opinion is valid in the loosest sense. Yes, they will lose money, and yes we could find volumes of our favorite manga. It's impractical and annoying, but you "Could" do it. In the same way I can loose 20 pounds. It's possible for me to loose 20 lbs. Or I could drown my sorrows in chocolate.
I'll choose the latter.
...Wow.
I don't read manga(although I did read the Red/Blue/yellow arc of Pokemon on recommendation), but you do understand that reading them online is stealing? It's like downloading a movie or pirating a game. It's just not right. The fact that you people would feel violated when a company requests money for their product is ridiculous!
You have to wait for it to come to America? Same deal with games, isn't it? It might not get translated? Just like many books!
By the way, the notion that they're losing money from this is ridiculous, because if you're reading them online you're not buying the product anyway! And the idea that the big companies can spare to have you steal their product is a horrible mentality! It's like saying it's alright to steal from supermarkets because they've got lots of money anyway! Plus, that money is going towards making more mangas, so you're really cutting your nose to spite your face on this one.
This discussion is really quite disgusting. Stealing is stealing. Just because you've been getting away with it doesn't make it right.
(And just as clarification, I don't find you reading the mangas online bad, but more the fact you complain when the companies assert their right to make a profit.)
I don't read manga(although I did read the Red/Blue/yellow arc of Pokemon on recommendation), but you do understand that reading them online is stealing? It's like downloading a movie or pirating a game. It's just not right. The fact that you people would feel violated when a company requests money for their product is ridiculous!
You have to wait for it to come to America? Same deal with games, isn't it? It might not get translated? Just like many books!
By the way, the notion that they're losing money from this is ridiculous, because if you're reading them online you're not buying the product anyway! And the idea that the big companies can spare to have you steal their product is a horrible mentality! It's like saying it's alright to steal from supermarkets because they've got lots of money anyway! Plus, that money is going towards making more mangas, so you're really cutting your nose to spite your face on this one.
This discussion is really quite disgusting. Stealing is stealing. Just because you've been getting away with it doesn't make it right.
(And just as clarification, I don't find you reading the mangas online bad, but more the fact you complain when the companies assert their right to make a profit.)
@Pokemaniac: I think the point most people were trying to make was that if they couldn't read manga online they wouldn't read it all. Virtually not really affecting their sales to the degree that had been thought up in this thread. Stealing is stealing but in reality if you think about it as if they just wouldn't read mangas unless it was online and then factor in the fans who decide they like manga and go the extra miles to buy they no REAL harm is being done. Since no manga companies have announced pay cuts or lay offs I'm going to assume they're making way more than enough money anyway (Just putting that point out there as well).
This was very predictable and should not be a shock.
The companies do not like it when people enjoy their products without paying. If you've read it already, you are probably not going to go out and buy it.
What a world we live in where you actually have to pay for books. ugh. tragedy.
The companies do not like it when people enjoy their products without paying. If you've read it already, you are probably not going to go out and buy it.
What a world we live in where you actually have to pay for books. ugh. tragedy.
Thats the problem with some people. You fail to see the big picture and instead search for the best sarcastic statement you can make that still is relative to the subject. Sadly paying for them is not the only issue. Do you realize that in the U.S. our latest issue is a bit behind the current in Japan. As i said before paying for manga, although costly, still supports and promotes what ever it is that your reading. However knowing that i will be waiting for entire volumes, that are not even current, is not fun. More so volumes are (as far as naruto goes) 19 chapters. From readers perspective, its not cool.
What is this I don't even
I can see the 'big picture' just fine, thanks. That's why I posted.
How does this even remotely make a difference?
They come from Japan. We have to wait for American versions, just like the games. If you absolutely need it now, go ahead and spend a ton of money just to have something early. However, most people will just wait. So Japanese kids will have already read a few chapters. Oh well! Japanese kids get to play Pokemon games before we do, too. It's a bit frustrating, yes, but completely tolerable. We all have to wait for things, and it is not a big deal.
What's 'not cool' is a bunch of people using products they didn't pay for. You buy a book and read it. As I stated earlier, if you've already read something, you're most likely not going to go out and buy it. If you don't buy it, the company doesn't make money, and if it's not profitable, they'll stop altogether.
It doesn't matter how big and rich the company is; it's still like stealing. Criminals use that excuse all the time, "well, it's not like they needed the money!" It's theft, and that's the bottom line. Now I'm not saying this particular 'theft' is so harmful, but good God, don't be shocked and angry when they stop you from it.
There's your big picture.
Jesus, this whole thing was probably a result of the company seeing a problem with profit versus the services they provide, anyway.
I can see the 'big picture' just fine, thanks. That's why I posted.
How does this even remotely make a difference?
They come from Japan. We have to wait for American versions, just like the games. If you absolutely need it now, go ahead and spend a ton of money just to have something early. However, most people will just wait. So Japanese kids will have already read a few chapters. Oh well! Japanese kids get to play Pokemon games before we do, too. It's a bit frustrating, yes, but completely tolerable. We all have to wait for things, and it is not a big deal.
What's 'not cool' is a bunch of people using products they didn't pay for. You buy a book and read it. As I stated earlier, if you've already read something, you're most likely not going to go out and buy it. If you don't buy it, the company doesn't make money, and if it's not profitable, they'll stop altogether.
It doesn't matter how big and rich the company is; it's still like stealing. Criminals use that excuse all the time, "well, it's not like they needed the money!" It's theft, and that's the bottom line. Now I'm not saying this particular 'theft' is so harmful, but good God, don't be shocked and angry when they stop you from it.
There's your big picture.
Jesus, this whole thing was probably a result of the company seeing a problem with profit versus the services they provide, anyway.
lilsparks101 said:
I love you. More than is probably acceptable.
Your post was made on page one by a better man than you. The point is that these companies magically want you to read Japanese, and be able to import all of these books at the drop of a hat, forking over a fair amount of money to do so.MylesPrower said:
Also: Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. And your post makes it painfully obvious.
Pokémaniac said:
So what your saying is that, regardless of the fact that without learning an entire language and paying higher prices for books than usual, we should NEVER read manga online. You are also saying that if something never get's translated, we should deal with it, because that would be "Stealing".
May I suggest a new avatar? Its really fitting, considering your argument.
You start off shocked, or that sarcastic shock that should result in electo-shock therapy, like beck. You go into the argument knowing nothing about what your talking about, Exactly like beck. You tell people that, although their point of view is valid, they are morally wrong, like Beck. Your argument has holes in it and you confuse two different words in one, like beck.
PIRATING IS NOT STEALING, IT'S PIRATING.
I would love to see security footage of Manga fans storming a Hobby Shop with semi-automatic weapons.
There are people who spend months at a time trying to translate word for word these great stories that we would have otherwise never seen. Mother 3, Seiken Densetsu 3, Tales of Innocence, Jump Stars Ultimate, and even Final Fantasy 5 (Before the PS1 release) are games that would have been possible because of Fan-Translators.
To say that their work is wrong is disgusting, not enjoying their work.
And then to say that trying to support our views are disgusting... go get therapy. Please. You cannot be of a right mind.
LoneTyranitar said:
I am tempted to make this my new signature. Thank you.
How incredibly rude you are!
You can point out the exact difference between theft and piracy all you want. Okay, my bad, I let the difference between the two slip. However, that doesn't really change the issue. Of course not everyone's gonna rush out and buy it because they can't read it online anymore; but some people will. Some will decide that they don't need it, and others will be so hooked that they will stay loyal.
It makes no difference if the company doesn't see too much of a fall in profit, or is incredibly wealthy. You're still freeloading, getting something you didn't pay for. The company doesn't want you "to magically learn Japanese", they actually don't care for you to read it at all! (Unless, of course, an American version is created by the company). You can't expect the company to bend over backwards for a relatively small number of readers.
Now I really do get what you're saying, non-Japanese speakers have no way to read many very interesting Japanese stories, and scanlations give it a wider audience. One problem -- scanlators don't have the licensing or the permission to alter and redistribute the mangas. The company will do that the way they see fit, and no one else has the right.
Even if they don't, it's not the company's wrong. They are not obligated to provide any sort of service. Petition the company if you want. Influence them to fill your requests; but don't go and do it yourself.
If you respond, I request a little less insult.
MylesPrower said:
Why thank you. I strive for nothing less. That's going in the signature.
And yes, these manga fans are breaking the law. And yes, the companies aren't at fault. But these people are providing a service that the companies don't give. Illegal or not, Closing them down is childish, as it affects these companies very little.
These companies are doing something that is legal, but wrong. And now the manga fans have to deal with the "Pirate" label from people like you, and PokeBeck.
So you put it in your signature? God, you're like a wannabe Zenith!
You can say it's wrong, but that's entirely opinion, and if the shoe fits, so does the label. What's wrong is going and doing it without any kind of permission. Influence the company, if it really must be done, to fill your requests.
I have nothing more to say.
You can say it's wrong, but that's entirely opinion, and if the shoe fits, so does the label. What's wrong is going and doing it without any kind of permission. Influence the company, if it really must be done, to fill your requests.
I have nothing more to say.
MylesPrower said:
And thank god.
It's people like you that just tempt me to simply lock the thread to avoid posts like these. Take it how you want.
~Zyflair
"It makes no difference if the company doesn't see too much of a fall in profit, or is incredibly wealthy. You're still freeloading, getting something you didn't pay for. The company doesn't want you "to magically learn Japanese", they actually don't care for you to read it at all! (Unless, of course, an American version is created by the company). You can't expect the company to bend over backwards for a relatively small number of readers." ~Myles
Did anyone find that contradiction highly amusing. If they dont want us to read it, they're not getting our money. When we pirate or read online they're not getting our money. Either way it results to the same thing, therefore not exactly proving the point that its really necessary/called for (not to say they don't have the right but still).
Did anyone find that contradiction highly amusing. If they dont want us to read it, they're not getting our money. When we pirate or read online they're not getting our money. Either way it results to the same thing, therefore not exactly proving the point that its really necessary/called for (not to say they don't have the right but still).
Okay, okay, I had nothing more to say until more was said. I'm a human. >[
Anyway, companies like to keep their options open, especially when a problem is law, and therefore no expense to them. If they were to eventually decide to create American versions, (and I know it's highly unlikely), there would already be existing American versions online. They wouldn't make a single sale.
This small possibility alone could be enough to influence a particular course of action.
Anyway, companies like to keep their options open, especially when a problem is law, and therefore no expense to them. If they were to eventually decide to create American versions, (and I know it's highly unlikely), there would already be existing American versions online. They wouldn't make a single sale.
This small possibility alone could be enough to influence a particular course of action.