Mega Rayquaza / New OR/AS Info in NicoNico Video Stream [10/2]
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Water Pokémon Master said:
Oops. my memory of Ruby is terrible.
Can Rayquaza still get the Airlock ability if he is transferred from X/Y or does the ability automatically get erased and changed? Sounds like Air Lock is still the better ability of the way things are going.
xxashxx said:Can Rayquaza still get the Airlock ability if he is transferred from X/Y or does the ability automatically get erased and changed? Sounds like Air Lock is still the better ability of the way things are going.
Maybe Airlock is normal Rayquaza's ability, and the other one is the M-evolved ability.
xxashxx said:Can Rayquaza still get the Airlock ability if he is transferred from X/Y or does the ability automatically get erased and changed? Sounds like Air Lock is still the better ability of the way things are going.
Airlock will still be his normal ability. The mega evolution will temporarily change it to Delta Stream. Delta Stream prevents weather changing moves and abilities from working. In addition it cancels his flying type weakness while still being a flying type and is still immune to ground. Air Lock just got an upgrade.
That could be possible. I still prefer Air Lock over the New ability because the New ability stops the weather moves when they could be stealing 20 HP on the opponent every turn whereas the new ability stops those moves altogether and Rayquaza would still be unaffected anyway so why stop weather moves when the opponent could be taking damage?
xxashxx said:That could be possible. I still prefer Air Lock over the New ability because the New ability stops the weather moves when they could be stealing 20 HP on the opponent every turn whereas the new ability stops those moves altogether and Rayquaza would still be unaffected anyway so why stop weather moves when the opponent could be taking damage?
Its not only possible, its clear as day. Rayquaza has air lock which changes to delta stream upon mega evolving..
Air lock makes weather have no effect, delta stream gets rid of weatherand prevents new weather plus protects flying types.
There is no damage in either case.
xxashxx said:That could be possible. I still prefer Air Lock over the New ability because the New ability stops the weather moves when they could be stealing 20 HP on the opponent every turn whereas the new ability stops those moves altogether and Rayquaza would still be unaffected anyway so why stop weather moves when the opponent could be taking damage?
What?
The ability does the same, except it also lowers flying weaknesses.
I'm not getting what you are saying
Oh ok. That makes more Sense. I thought Air Lock allowed the move to engage but not damage Rayquaza but allowed it to damage the opponent if it were a Pokemon not immune to the attack. So Delta mode actually prevents the moves from Working? I knew the attacks were immune to Rayquaza but was not sure how the new ability worked compared to Air Lock.
xxashxx said:Oh ok. That makes more Sense. I thought Air Lock allowed the move to engage but not damage Rayquaza but allowed it to damage the opponent if it were a Pokemon not immune to the attack. So Delta mode actually prevents the moves from Working? I knew the attacks were immune to Rayquaza but was not sure how the new ability worked compared to Air Lock.
Air Lock: nulifies the effects of weather while Rayquaza is in battle. (meaning any weather is still going as long as it was meant to, but it doesn't affect the battle in any way)
Delta Stream: activates a weather effect called "Strong Winds" which stays up as long as MegaRayquaza is in battle and prevents any other weather to be summoned.
The effect of Strong winds is that it neutralizes Flying-types weaknesses.
so the first one just reduces any active weather into a visual effect, while the second creates an own weather while preventing other weather from being activated.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't look at the new Megas because I want it to be a surprise. xD
It is so hard to scroll through stuff without looking. ^^;
It is so hard to scroll through stuff without looking. ^^;
SilentlyFreezing said:
The only good thing in M-Rayquaza when comparing with Rayquaza is that it doesn't have lipstick anymore!
Metalizard said:
Sure, in practice they're both a more powerful and new forme but when it comes to methods and requirements, Mega evolution is still lame since it requires both the trainer and worse yet, the Pokémon, to wear jewelry and then a strong bond is needed but all I see is the trainer activating and the Pokémon being the usual slave and last but not least, the trainer's pose always remind me of Power Rangers or worse, Digimon. I can't wait to see Pokémon Mega-evolution Jewel store, a game like Cooking Mama and that other about clothes but about Pokémon and jewels.
Primal forms make sense starting with the sheer size of it (though in my opinion they should be even larger than Wailord), the sleeping forever and boost of power the two had in the past and they don't technically need a trainer to activate.
^But remember, they stated, as I said in my post, Rayquaza Mega-evolves in a different way compared to other pokémon... I also belive we'll need some kind of items akin to Mega Stones to activate Primal Reversion (which may or may not be the Blue/Red Orbs and they're basically stones anyway)...
Metalizard said:
Even so, the whole Mega-evolution thing is ill implemented and associating Rayquaza with it when Primal forms are available is bad.
That said, even if going with M-evolution, wasn't Lucario supposed to be the first Pokémon to have Mega-evolved? If so, since M-Rayquaza now Mega-evolves, it would make more sense (in my opinion) if Rayquaza were to be the first one to Mega-evolve (and retcon this bit). People already existed back then and so Pokémon and probably Lucario but wouldn't be better, storywise, to say that Rayquaza started it all and that Mega-evolution happens because when people needed the most (and I'm using the new revealed legend), they were able to link with Pokémon and so that bond is still present and needed for Mega-evolution? I always thought that Lucario being refered as the first one was kind of lamenot only because it's Lucario, a Pokémon that I'm sick of seeing, but also because it isn't a legendary, and since Diancie can Mega-evolve (I'm almost sure that idea goes back to XY and due to the games' lenght and number of Pokémon, I'm thinking GF already was way ahead with ASOR), why not give that honor to a legendary? Now that Rayquaza will also M-evolve and since its a Pokémon from ancient times, more sense it makes.
Leaf_Ranger said:
I agree with you but yes, like you said, they may retcon it. They stated Rayquaza has something to do with the origin of Mega Evolution and it would be explained in ORAS.
People shouldn't take what's in the first games for real. It's just like in BW. In the game, they say Kyurem came from space and that it ate people... in B2W2, they confirm in-game that it was just a story, the real story was it being the remnants of the original dragon who crashed near Lacunosa, bla bla bla... It was like a myth in the pokémon world.
In the same way, just because in XY they stated Lucario was the first Pokémon to have ever Mega evolved, it doesn't mean it's true. That's what the people of Kalos know as their history... Rayquaza may have indeed started the whole thing and I'm sure they will clarify a bit more about the mistery in ORAS...
I say a bit more because I'm certain they will save the last piece of the puzzle for Z or XY2 or XZYZ or wtv... Assuming they actually want to uncover the whole mistery, that is... TrollFreak is TrollFreak...
Another thing to consider with the whole "who was first to mega-evolve?" thing is that Rayquaza is a legend. Doesn't matter if people knew about it in ancient times, it's a legend in the current day. Anything tied to Rayquaza has to be rediscovered and reverified - such as Trainers being able to control the mega evolution activation of Rayquaza with the whole 'bond' thing that Trainers use with regular mega evolutions.
Lucario can be bred and trained, and with its innate aura abilities it'd be very closely tied to something like mega evolution. It'd be much easier for trainers and scientists to get their hands on Lucario to study and activate mega evolutions in controlled conditions. It'd be the first official mega evolution confirmed in recent history in the Pokemon world.
Rayquaza would be a little different. There is only one in the world, anything previously known about it is ancient legend, and people wouldn't know if Rayquaza might've just evolved (as a species) over time. What goes down in ORAS would be uncovering a lot of ancient mysteries and the science behind mega evolution. And then, the facts (such as who was first to mega evolve) would be changed due to the new information uncovered in the ORAS storyline. Not a retcon, just casual history/science being updated as new information is discovered.
Lucario can be bred and trained, and with its innate aura abilities it'd be very closely tied to something like mega evolution. It'd be much easier for trainers and scientists to get their hands on Lucario to study and activate mega evolutions in controlled conditions. It'd be the first official mega evolution confirmed in recent history in the Pokemon world.
Rayquaza would be a little different. There is only one in the world, anything previously known about it is ancient legend, and people wouldn't know if Rayquaza might've just evolved (as a species) over time. What goes down in ORAS would be uncovering a lot of ancient mysteries and the science behind mega evolution. And then, the facts (such as who was first to mega evolve) would be changed due to the new information uncovered in the ORAS storyline. Not a retcon, just casual history/science being updated as new information is discovered.
Well, since everyone thinks Mega Rayquaza has tusks, it has a mouth between them! Maybe...
Anyway, I think Mega Rayquaza looks and is very awesome! I was excited at first when my sister was unable to overpower my Groudon with water type moves because of it's ability, but now that she may use Mega Rayquaza....
As Mitja said above, it makes sense that Mega Rayquaza had received a Mega evolution rather than a Primal Reversion because it isn't flowing with energy with the desire to destroy. Plus, the Pokemon Company revealed that it would Mega Evolve in different way.
Hey, Mega Rayquaza was seen battling a Ninetails. Does that mean it's getting a Mega Evolution pretty soon? Or is it because Ninetails can have drought?
Anyway, I think Mega Rayquaza looks and is very awesome! I was excited at first when my sister was unable to overpower my Groudon with water type moves because of it's ability, but now that she may use Mega Rayquaza....
As Mitja said above, it makes sense that Mega Rayquaza had received a Mega evolution rather than a Primal Reversion because it isn't flowing with energy with the desire to destroy. Plus, the Pokemon Company revealed that it would Mega Evolve in different way.
Hey, Mega Rayquaza was seen battling a Ninetails. Does that mean it's getting a Mega Evolution pretty soon? Or is it because Ninetails can have drought?