Mewtwo EX discussion thread

Cubox

Cubox

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Hey there.
As many of you probably know Mewtwo EX is a card, that found its way into almost every deck. But I have been wondering, what it’s real purpose is except of being a counter to itself and other [P] weakness pokémon?
It requires a lot of energy on both pokémon to take down anything with above ,like, 100 hp in one hit, which is what everybody tries to do.
I had a look at Celebi23’s “The New Metagame & Format Shift” article, and I didn’t find any deck, that included [P] Pokémon, that couldn’t be taken down by almost anything.
Maybe I’m just looking wrong at it, but that’s just the way I see it. Please share your opinion :D
 
I'll try to explain why! If somebody else could correct me if I'm wrong that'd be awesome~.

The two decks out there that are top contenders - ZekEels and CMT - are able to include Mewtwo into their decks with no issue whatsoever. Heck, CMT was basically designed purely with Mewtwo in mind. With the Eelektrik engine for Lightning energy, and the Celebi / Tornadus engine for Grass, you are able to start hitting fast and consistently. Mewtwo has 170 HP - meaning that it is almost guaranteed to take 2+ prizes against most of the decks listed in the Metagame Deck Center. Let's not even get into Tier 3 decks! Mewtwo is a Basic, giving you an extra option to search via Pokemon Collector and a few Pokemon abilities.

You may think that I just described the motto of all EX cards - It's because I did. Basics with high HP, and attacks that do high amounts of damage from the gate. Well, not from the gate. Only Mewtwo starts attacking on turn 1, and that's what makes him so powerful!

He fits into any deck - all it takes is one Double Colorless to start hitting for 40+ damage. His damage will rise considerably if you try to attack him back, since the only cards that do enough damage to threaten his prize ratio will most likely be one-shot or blocked by the other Pokemon that Mewtwo gets together with. This instantly takes so many cards and strategies out of the equation that it's not even funny.

When taking all this into account, you might start to see why Mewtwo is so relevant in this format. The BDIF currently, ZekEels (at least, in my opinion~), already had an amazing engine and set of cards that probably would have made the deck a top deck in the first place. When you add a Basic that can almost always win the prize trade against non-EX cards, it just adds to the solidity of the deck. Once you have a clear sight of the 1-3 decks that abuse the fact that they smash the majority of Tier 2+ decks, you have to start coming up with strategies to keep other decks relevant. And sadly, the best counter thus far to Mewtwo is another Mewtwo.

Mewtwo isn't required to have fun or to have a good, thought out match. But, if you want to win tournaments, and not just play with friends that have a truce, you'll have to find some way to go up against it until Dark Explorers and the un-named Dragon Blade and Dragon Blast english expansions come out.

TL;DR: EX cards are good. Mewtwo is better than most. It his hard, fast, and consistently. It alone smashes a lot of Tier 2+ decks. It fits easily into decks that are already good, giving them that more of an edge against every other deck. Thus, near everyone needs to run it, or else their deck will fall flat on it's face if the goal is to beat the best decks at tournaments right now. And because they are all trying to beat the best with Mewtwo as one of their tools, you need to account for almost all decks having Mewtwo as well, or else they'll use it on you!
 
@Megaphone
I know how good it fits into any deck and such :) I just think, that alot of energies are required to hit for high damage. If you wanna do, like, 160 damage on a pokémon, that isn't another Mewtwo EX you and your opp need all in all 8 energies, and with Mewtwo EX taking three (which is probably about the maximum for a serious player) it leaves 5. Only few pokémon could ever use so many enegies :D I.e. Zekrom and Reshiram EX can do it almost as good for all in all four energies (with a catch however).
 
Cubox said:
@Megaphone
I know how good it fits into any deck and such :) I just think, that alot of energies are required to hit for high damage. If you wanna do, like, 160 damage on a pokémon, that isn't another Mewtwo EX you and your opp need all in all 8 energies, and with Mewtwo EX taking three (which is probably about the maximum for a serious player) it leaves 5. Only few pokémon could ever use so many enegies :D I.e. Zekrom and Reshiram EX can do it almost as good for all in all four energies (with a catch however).
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I think it'd be fun to get somebody else to answer to add another opinion to the discussion!
 
Most of that was TL;DR

But the deck that from my experience has blown all these meta decks outta the water is Emboaritan.
I've played Emboaritan for the last 3 weeks now, and I think the only way I have actually lost a game (only 2-3 losses out of over 20 games) has been bad shuffles, resulting in 5+ turns of drawing a rare candy switch and basic energies after and N.

My personal experience, I don't know why nobody else uses Emboaritan with Fliptini. 4 Energies and I'm averging usually 150 a turn, he get's ko'd only loose 1 prize and only need 2 heads on a Mewtwo Ex.

Has really nothing to do with the OP I don't think, but my main idea is that Mewtwo is extremely overrated and easy to kill along with all the other EX cards.
 
I guess you could say Mewtwo EX is overrated when Rayquaza EX is better in every way possible. 180 damage for a Prism and 2 {L}? Sounds boss to me. Plus it's weak to Dragon and by the time it hits English print there will be few Pokemon that can hit it for weakness other than Giratina EX and the new Garchomp for like 200 damage.

Rayquaza EX can fit into Eels and Emboar so it's not as versatile as Mewtwo EX is with
X Ball and the DCE cost but it comes VERY close to it. I have noticed that Mewtwo EX tends to struggle against Regigigas EX which is usually shy of getting a KO cause it can Raging Hammer Mewtwo EX for 2 prizes before it has a chance to get 2 prizes from Gigas.
 
rileysill32 said:
Most of that was TL;DR

But the deck that from my experience has blown all these meta decks outta the water is Emboaritan.
I've played Emboaritan for the last 3 weeks now, and I think the only way I have actually lost a game (only 2-3 losses out of over 20 games) has been bad shuffles, resulting in 5+ turns of drawing a rare candy switch and basic energies after and N.

My personal experience, I don't know why nobody else uses Emboaritan with Fliptini. 4 Energies and I'm averging usually 150 a turn, he get's ko'd only loose 1 prize and only need 2 heads on a Mewtwo Ex.

Has really nothing to do with the OP I don't think, but my main idea is that Mewtwo is extremely overrated and easy to kill along with all the other EX cards.
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Erhm... What division are you in? What decks are you facing? Are these decks built optimally?
 
Megaphone said:
Erhm... What division are you in? What decks are you facing? Are these decks built optimally?
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I play in St. Louis against pretty stiff competition.
i play @ the same place as Alex Krekler, if you know who that is (3rd worlds last year in jrs).
try to avoid the youngins as much as possible.

mainly zekeels, mtcs, reshiboars, durants,
most of the mainstream i play @ the same place as Alex Krekler (3rd worlds last year in jrs).
 
Cubox said:
Hey there.
As many of you probably know Mewtwo EX is a card, that found its way into almost every deck. But I have been wondering, what it’s real purpose is except of being a counter to itself and other [P] weakness pokémon?
It requires a lot of energy on both pokémon to take down anything with above ,like, 100 hp in one hit, which is what everybody tries to do.
I had a look at Celebi23’s “The New Metagame & Format Shift” article, and I didn’t find any deck, that included [P] Pokémon, that couldn’t be taken down by almost anything.
Maybe I’m just looking wrong at it, but that’s just the way I see it. Please share your opinion :D
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Short answer: Shaymin.

Long answer: If your deck can go up two prizes, then start a Mewtwo war, it almost always wins as long as you can keep the Mewtwos coming. And there's no better way to start a Mewtwo war than by killing your opponent's only attacker and forcing them to use their own Mewtwo. So, what I'll do with my Celebox is try to go up a prize, then drop Mewtwo-EX and Shaymin all my energies in play on to it (or as many as I need to KO whatever they're attacking with). Then, they're basically stuck. I'm up two prizes and my Mewtwo will not only take two turns to go down, but it's also doing enough to KO anything they set up so it easily wins a resource exchange as well. So they basically have to attack with their Mewtwo, but I'll then win the prize war after killing two of their Mewtwos.

It has a good number of other niches. It's a great EX killer in general, since it almost always OHKOs or 2HKOs EX's while they 2HKO back. It's beastly against other specific cards, such as Zekrom BW and Kyurem. It gives Celebox that mid- to late-game push it needs. It basically hard counters Truth and Gothitelle. Without Mewtwo, most decks would have a seriously rough time against Tryth. It's a solid early-game attacker since Tynamo is so popular. It can distract your opponent from the rest of your field because they have to kill it before it charges up too much and it's a two-prize liability. It's a lot like Yanmega Prime was in HS-BW. It wasn't really that good of a card, but it filled enough random niches and gaps in most decks that it became the most-used and most expensive Pokémon in the format.
 
@Megaphone
I totally agree. An interesting discussion needs more than to persons.

@Card Slinger J
I also think, that Rayquaza EX is gonna have a pretty big influence on Mewtwo EX. I'm looking forward to it :) There's one thing I have been wondering about: If a Rayquaza have 3 {L} and one Prism on it, will it's attack (if I choose {L}) then discard the Prism as well?

Celebi23 said:
Short answer: Shaymin.
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Lol'ed :D

Btw do you say, that you play it for the Mewtwo war? I see, that you have totally win if you're two prizes ahead, and have your opp to lay the Mewtwo EX first :D
 
No, you win if you play the Mewtwo first while two prizes ahead, not your opponent. All of this assuming both players get all the resources they need for a full Mewtwo war.
 
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