ORAS New (Mega) Pokémon in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire: Your Hopes and Expectations
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RE: New (Mega) Pokémon in Omega Ruby and Alpha SapphiYour Hopes and Expectations
Yes, it is very true that I don't understand
It's also why I said not to look at past games for evidence, but to look at other things Nintendo is doing, like the anime, etc.
And the thing is, I just don't think we really know what they can or will do with the patches. You're also assuming that they want to have backwards compatibility with X/Y games. I'm just saying, there is no law that says that has to be true. They could, if they wanted too, add new evolutions, new pokemon, new megas, and just not have them be backward compatible. (I really don't think they'd do that, but whatever). Any theory or idea we come up with all involve assuming that certain things are "fact" or "true", which doesn't necessarily have to be the case. To say there is currently only one option is really not possible, without assuming lots of things about what Nintendo can and wants to do. It is just tons of fun to speculate though, and I love hearing everyone's opinion!
You have a very good point though,that either they can add Mega's through DLC, or they can't. And when the games are released, either they will or they won't. I just think that the probably will based on everything I said, but I know there's a large possibility I'm wrong too. What you're saying also makes a lot of sense.
bacon said:
Yes, it is very true that I don't understand
It's also why I said not to look at past games for evidence, but to look at other things Nintendo is doing, like the anime, etc.And the thing is, I just don't think we really know what they can or will do with the patches. You're also assuming that they want to have backwards compatibility with X/Y games. I'm just saying, there is no law that says that has to be true. They could, if they wanted too, add new evolutions, new pokemon, new megas, and just not have them be backward compatible. (I really don't think they'd do that, but whatever). Any theory or idea we come up with all involve assuming that certain things are "fact" or "true", which doesn't necessarily have to be the case. To say there is currently only one option is really not possible, without assuming lots of things about what Nintendo can and wants to do. It is just tons of fun to speculate though, and I love hearing everyone's opinion!
You have a very good point though,that either they can add Mega's through DLC, or they can't. And when the games are released, either they will or they won't. I just think that the probably will based on everything I said, but I know there's a large possibility I'm wrong too. What you're saying also makes a lot of sense.
RE: New (Mega) Pokémon in Omega Ruby and Alpha SapphiYour Hopes and Expectations
Look at black and white . And yes, we are looking at past games for evidence, because that is evidence. Denying the right to that basically confirms your argument is invalid because you are refusing to acknowledge that there is enough evidence for the other side to make it a legitimate opinion. We had no Black/White Kyurem or Kami trio forms. Yet they exist in BW2.
Nintendo has massively overhyped these megas and like it or not they are a huge part of Gen 6, if not the biggest new addition in the last 3 years to Pokémon (besides graphics changes). You cannot expect to just say goodbye to them in just 1 year (or less).
Plus, like said before Nintendo can do what they want. They have made hundreds of illogical decisions, so it is almost logical for them to make illogical decisions.
Honestly, I expect Megas to appear in the new game at the very least, and I believe that we will be getting a few more. While I won't be too surprised if this doesn't happen, chances are that we will be getting new megas.
-my 2 cents.
xayshade said:
Look at black and white . And yes, we are looking at past games for evidence, because that is evidence. Denying the right to that basically confirms your argument is invalid because you are refusing to acknowledge that there is enough evidence for the other side to make it a legitimate opinion. We had no Black/White Kyurem or Kami trio forms. Yet they exist in BW2.
Nintendo has massively overhyped these megas and like it or not they are a huge part of Gen 6, if not the biggest new addition in the last 3 years to Pokémon (besides graphics changes). You cannot expect to just say goodbye to them in just 1 year (or less).
Plus, like said before Nintendo can do what they want. They have made hundreds of illogical decisions, so it is almost logical for them to make illogical decisions.
Honestly, I expect Megas to appear in the new game at the very least, and I believe that we will be getting a few more. While I won't be too surprised if this doesn't happen, chances are that we will be getting new megas.
-my 2 cents.
RE: New (Mega) Pokémon in Omega Ruby and Alpha SapphiYour Hopes and Expectations
Those weren't "rules", just logic. It's an observation of what gamefreak ALREADY IS DOING. Unless you're saying gamefreak themselves don't know what they're going to do next, you don't understand the post.
xayshade said:
Those weren't "rules", just logic. It's an observation of what gamefreak ALREADY IS DOING. Unless you're saying gamefreak themselves don't know what they're going to do next, you don't understand the post.
What all this really boils down to is if the people in charge want to utilize DLC or not. The 3DS is more than capable of having DLC's, sheesh they have already utilized DLC's in other games and if I'm not mistaken spin off Pokemon games have used DLC's also. With the main series games if is mostly about the money IMO, the other issue is everyone doesn't have access to DLCs whether it be online access, or money if they decided to go that route. So with that being said it is clearly up to Nintendo and the information that they gathered from their focus groups and research teams on whether or not to include this feature. Oh yeah and for the record I am totally for new megas/ megas to be included in OR/AS. Here's to you Mega Golduck....patiently waiting. 1 more thing we all come here for the same reasons and that is to discuss/ argue about Pokemon for any of us to blatantly say someone else is completely wrong for this reason is wrong. Unless you work for Nintendo and have inside knowledge of what's going on with the game personally. Until the games come out it is all just speculation, so lets have fun speculating.
I think a lot of people are forgetting that mega latios and latias will most likely not make appearances in XY and debut in OR/AS. The question isn't whenever OR/AS are having megas, its how many they are having.
The only reason I can think of is because they were working on OR/AS at the same time as X and Y and at the last second decided for whatever reason not to make them available. Pokemon games have for the most part always had something written into the code that isn't utilized for some reason or another. Who knows maybe Mega Latios and Latias are the only megas they are introducing in OR/AS, so having the code for them in X and Y would make them available in those games. I for one hope this isn't the case because I would love DLC's period. With the chance for extra content and extra megas I wouldn't care if I had to pay or not.
Here is my top two choices for New Megas if we get more than Latios and Latias. It is a copy for another thread I was involved in.
Me personnally I would love to see Golduck get a Mega evo. I mean finally give it that potential that they have been hinting at since Psyduck was first introduced in the anime.
Golduck(Water/Psychic) Adaptability
Base Stats : 600, HP 90 Atk: 60 Def: 95 S.Atk: 135 SpD: 110 Spd: 110
I can totally see Mega Golduck with this cool aura surrounding it and a bigger glowing jewel on its head. Man can someone make this happen along with my wish of having a Mega Rapidash( Fire/Flying) Head Start gives priority to all moves when facing a faster Pokemon. Come on Pegasus flying on wings of flames. man oh man how awesome would this be?
Here is my top two choices for New Megas if we get more than Latios and Latias. It is a copy for another thread I was involved in.
Me personnally I would love to see Golduck get a Mega evo. I mean finally give it that potential that they have been hinting at since Psyduck was first introduced in the anime.
Golduck(Water/Psychic) Adaptability
Base Stats : 600, HP 90 Atk: 60 Def: 95 S.Atk: 135 SpD: 110 Spd: 110
I can totally see Mega Golduck with this cool aura surrounding it and a bigger glowing jewel on its head. Man can someone make this happen along with my wish of having a Mega Rapidash( Fire/Flying) Head Start gives priority to all moves when facing a faster Pokemon. Come on Pegasus flying on wings of flames. man oh man how awesome would this be?
RE: New (Mega) Pokémon in Omega Ruby and Alpha SapphiYour Hopes and Expectations
I think this right here pretty much sums up the debate. Loved hearing everyone speculate, but I'm still sticking to my thoughts that they'll bring some new megas in to OR/AS. I could be wrong, but oh well! Only time will tell cause none of us work for Nintendo so none of us can really truly say.
That sounds really awesome! Golduck would totally benefit, I love the idea of Golduck suddenly unlocking his awesome psychic powers. Only thing is, Mega's can't go up in HPs, it messes with the mechanics or something because pokemon can have already taken damage and then mega evolve. But I love everything else, the speed boost means you won't have to rely on swift swim.
The Mega's I really want to see are Mega Jynx with her classic Ice/Psychic typing! Maybe they could make her a prankster and boost her defense, attack, special defense and a little special attack at the cost of speed. She learns a lot of physical moves but doesn't get the attack for them, and maybe having a well rounded attacker can throw of your opponent! Hopefully it isn't just Gen 3 pokemon that get Mega's.
For a Hoenn mega, I'd love to see Masquerain get it, and have it go back to it's bug/water typing from it's pre-evolution. I understand this doesn't really fit the bug it's based off of, but I just think that would be a great type combo that we didn't get a lot of because Surskit is so weak, plus we already have so many bug flying types.
Other than obviously wanting Swampert and Sceptile to get mega's (and maybe even some gen 2 starters, that would be so sweet, but I'm probably dreaming too big) I just want more type variations. Currently, there is only one iced type mega, one normal type and one ground. There is also no mega's who have poison as their primary type or fairy as their primary type.
New type combinations for Mega's would rock too, as well as some gen 5 megas, cause they didn't get any (too new maybe???) Anybody think of some nifty type combos we haven't seen yet??? I know grass/dragon has been floating around for mega sceptile.
Reggie McGigas said:
I think this right here pretty much sums up the debate. Loved hearing everyone speculate, but I'm still sticking to my thoughts that they'll bring some new megas in to OR/AS. I could be wrong, but oh well! Only time will tell cause none of us work for Nintendo so none of us can really truly say.
Stephen Williams said:
That sounds really awesome! Golduck would totally benefit, I love the idea of Golduck suddenly unlocking his awesome psychic powers. Only thing is, Mega's can't go up in HPs, it messes with the mechanics or something because pokemon can have already taken damage and then mega evolve. But I love everything else, the speed boost means you won't have to rely on swift swim.
The Mega's I really want to see are Mega Jynx with her classic Ice/Psychic typing! Maybe they could make her a prankster and boost her defense, attack, special defense and a little special attack at the cost of speed. She learns a lot of physical moves but doesn't get the attack for them, and maybe having a well rounded attacker can throw of your opponent! Hopefully it isn't just Gen 3 pokemon that get Mega's.
For a Hoenn mega, I'd love to see Masquerain get it, and have it go back to it's bug/water typing from it's pre-evolution. I understand this doesn't really fit the bug it's based off of, but I just think that would be a great type combo that we didn't get a lot of because Surskit is so weak, plus we already have so many bug flying types.
Other than obviously wanting Swampert and Sceptile to get mega's (and maybe even some gen 2 starters, that would be so sweet, but I'm probably dreaming too big) I just want more type variations. Currently, there is only one iced type mega, one normal type and one ground. There is also no mega's who have poison as their primary type or fairy as their primary type.
New type combinations for Mega's would rock too, as well as some gen 5 megas, cause they didn't get any
(too new maybe???) Anybody think of some nifty type combos we haven't seen yet??? I know grass/dragon has been floating around for mega sceptile.
RE: New (Mega) Pokémon in Omega Ruby and Alpha SapphiYour Hopes and Expectations
Look at black and white . And yes, we are looking at past games for evidence, because that is evidence. Denying the right to that basically confirms your argument is invalid because you are refusing to acknowledge that there is enough evidence for the other side to make it a legitimate opinion. We had no Black/White Kyurem or Kami trio forms. Yet they exist in BW2.
I don't need to look at the entire realm of mathematics in order to assume that 2 + 2 = 4. If we demonstrate that Nintendo's current actions are incompatible with DLC theory then that's the end of the argument. To repeat: There is no reason for the legendary trio and Mega Lati@s to exist in XY yet if DLC is possible. That's it.
You just contradicted your previous argument that it was possible if they found out how to do it after they finalized XY
Nintendo has massively overhyped these megas and like it or not they are a huge part of Gen 6, if not the biggest new addition in the last 3 years to Pokémon (besides graphics changes). You cannot expect to just say goodbye to them in just 1 year (or less).
And yet, 2 + 2 still equals 4, no matter how much you want it to equal 5. What you THINK Nintendo should be doing doesn't change anything about my argument.
Your argument is about what Nintendo should think too. Your last sentence there is completely untrue, as you cannot confirm your speculation either
Also, name a few instances where Nintendo completely scrapped a huge and brand new mechancic in the middle of a generation.
Plus, like said before Nintendo can do what they want. They have made hundreds of illogical decisions, so it is almost logical for them to make illogical decisions.
OK, please name them.
The megas themselves were a surprising decision and what appeared to be a turnoff to "old gamers". While they went better then expected, it was a little bit of a suprising decision.
Also, the fact that Nintendo didn't change the BW blanks for XY. They did it every other time and fans had complained a lot about the BW blanks (and holosheet). The one time they were actually expected to change it, we didn't get a change.
Another not as illogical but still suprising decision was making non legendary EX's basic. Sure, a stage 2 EX wouldn't be crazy OP but it'd still make a lot of sense.
Honestly, I expect Megas to appear in the new game at the very least, and I believe that we will be getting a few more. While I won't be too surprised if this doesn't happen, chances are that we will be getting new megas.
-my spare change
Look at black and white . And yes, we are looking at past games for evidence, because that is evidence. Denying the right to that basically confirms your argument is invalid because you are refusing to acknowledge that there is enough evidence for the other side to make it a legitimate opinion. We had no Black/White Kyurem or Kami trio forms. Yet they exist in BW2.
I don't need to look at the entire realm of mathematics in order to assume that 2 + 2 = 4. If we demonstrate that Nintendo's current actions are incompatible with DLC theory then that's the end of the argument. To repeat: There is no reason for the legendary trio and Mega Lati@s to exist in XY yet if DLC is possible. That's it.
You just contradicted your previous argument that it was possible if they found out how to do it after they finalized XY
Nintendo has massively overhyped these megas and like it or not they are a huge part of Gen 6, if not the biggest new addition in the last 3 years to Pokémon (besides graphics changes). You cannot expect to just say goodbye to them in just 1 year (or less).
And yet, 2 + 2 still equals 4, no matter how much you want it to equal 5. What you THINK Nintendo should be doing doesn't change anything about my argument.
Your argument is about what Nintendo should think too. Your last sentence there is completely untrue, as you cannot confirm your speculation either
Also, name a few instances where Nintendo completely scrapped a huge and brand new mechancic in the middle of a generation.
Plus, like said before Nintendo can do what they want. They have made hundreds of illogical decisions, so it is almost logical for them to make illogical decisions.
OK, please name them.
The megas themselves were a surprising decision and what appeared to be a turnoff to "old gamers". While they went better then expected, it was a little bit of a suprising decision.
Also, the fact that Nintendo didn't change the BW blanks for XY. They did it every other time and fans had complained a lot about the BW blanks (and holosheet). The one time they were actually expected to change it, we didn't get a change.
Another not as illogical but still suprising decision was making non legendary EX's basic. Sure, a stage 2 EX wouldn't be crazy OP but it'd still make a lot of sense.
Honestly, I expect Megas to appear in the new game at the very least, and I believe that we will be getting a few more. While I won't be too surprised if this doesn't happen, chances are that we will be getting new megas.
-my spare change
there is a difference between "scrapping megas" and making more of them.
no one is saying they will get rid of the existing megas, just that ORAS isn't going to add its own besides the obvious Lati@s (and even that might be as an event..). at least thats the road gamefreak seems to have had in mind when they made XY.
no one is saying they will get rid of the existing megas, just that ORAS isn't going to add its own besides the obvious Lati@s (and even that might be as an event..). at least thats the road gamefreak seems to have had in mind when they made XY.
The alternative argument I proposed is highly unlikely because it kind of assumes Nintendo are morons who don't know what they're doing. Seems awfully unlikely to me. I offered it in jest.
My argument is not at all based on how I think Nintendo operates. It's based entirely on facts sourced from XY.
Megas are not being scrapped. There just doesn't seem to be any indication more will exist outside of Lati@s.
None of the examples you provided are illogical. At the worst, bad marketing decisions.
Eh I'm done with thread anyway, believe what you will.
My argument is not at all based on how I think Nintendo operates. It's based entirely on facts sourced from XY.
Megas are not being scrapped. There just doesn't seem to be any indication more will exist outside of Lati@s.
None of the examples you provided are illogical. At the worst, bad marketing decisions.
Eh I'm done with thread anyway, believe what you will.
RE: New (Mega) Pokémon in Omega Ruby and Alpha SapphiYour Hopes and Expectations
kk bud
One last throw in, aren't bad marketing decisions illogical?
bacon said:
kk bud
One last throw in, aren't bad marketing decisions illogical?
I really hope I don't offend any one or try to make anyone think I'm arguing instead of just politely discussing and speculating, but...
What about these new Groudon and Kyogre? We don't know what they are yet, but they're either new forms or fusions or Mega's or something. That at least HAS been confirmed as they have been called new pokemon. The thing is, we don't have these new forms or megas or fusions or ANYTHING in the X/Y coding. So putting Mega's aside for a second, (or back on the table, if Groudon an Kyore are megas that they're showing on ORAS boxart) does that not mean that coding must therefore exist in ORAS that doesn't in X/Y? I ask this more as question, because I'm not entirely sure. So how would X/Y communicate with ORAS and these new dub-step-or-whatever-you-want-to-call-them-for-now-forms of Kyogre and Groudon???
What about these new Groudon and Kyogre? We don't know what they are yet, but they're either new forms or fusions or Mega's or something. That at least HAS been confirmed as they have been called new pokemon. The thing is, we don't have these new forms or megas or fusions or ANYTHING in the X/Y coding. So putting Mega's aside for a second, (or back on the table, if Groudon an Kyore are megas that they're showing on ORAS boxart) does that not mean that coding must therefore exist in ORAS that doesn't in X/Y? I ask this more as question, because I'm not entirely sure. So how would X/Y communicate with ORAS and these new dub-step-or-whatever-you-want-to-call-them-for-now-forms of Kyogre and Groudon???
RE: New (Mega) Pokémon in Omega Ruby and Alpha SapphiYour Hopes and Expectations
Meh, I'm sorta like, "hell, let's just see what happens".Aerodactyl said:
RE: New (Mega) Pokémon in Omega Ruby and Alpha SapphiYour Hopes and Expectations
In my opinion, this would be in a patch (that would also contain our other megas)
Aerodactyl said:
In my opinion, this would be in a patch (that would also contain our other megas)
I remember reading something, please correct me if I am wrong, that stated that they do not want to to do DLC's, because they want any extras for the game to be readily available to as many of their players as possible, and that having DLC's will exclude many that cannot...well...get DLC's.
*Too many posts to quote and would be too long and too messy, but this is pretty much a reply for most of the posts adamant that it's a DLC thing.*
*Too many posts to quote and would be too long and too messy, but this is pretty much a reply for most of the posts adamant that it's a DLC thing.*
RE: New (Mega) Pokémon in Omega Ruby and Alpha SapphiYour Hopes and Expectations
*cough cough*gates to infinity*cough cough*
Who's to say they won't release paid DLC? They did for Gates to Infinity which nobody thought would happen as they normally never do DLC. You never know.
Teal said:
*cough cough*gates to infinity*cough cough*
Who's to say they won't release paid DLC? They did for Gates to Infinity which nobody thought would happen as they normally never do DLC. You never know.