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New XY-P Delphox-EX and Greninja Promos! [3/14]
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So now the Kalos Starter EXes are all revealed! I think Delphox might be my favourite from those three~
And WPM, you updated the sidebar with XY TCG series links! That's greatly appreciated! =D
And WPM, you updated the sidebar with XY TCG series links! That's greatly appreciated! =D
Delphox looks amazing, it's second attack is good, even more if your opponent just used a card to get energies to his/her hand.
Greninja is like a mini DarkraiEX now it's Dark, and has a good artwork.
On the other hand.... Binacle, maybe they will do a Barbarcle promo, where you use the 3 energies for a good attack.
Greninja is like a mini DarkraiEX now it's Dark, and has a good artwork.
On the other hand.... Binacle, maybe they will do a Barbarcle promo, where you use the 3 energies for a good attack.
I'm so glad that Delphox got an EX! It's been my favorite Kalos starter from day one. 
And the card looks amazing!
And the card looks amazing!
I like that Delphox ex. A nice 20 damage with confusion potential. All for a single energy. Yay!
I really like the artwork of the Greninja one. ^.^
With that Delphox ex revealed, the question now comes how do we get that, along with Greninja and Chestnaught ex? Will they be added in Flashfire? The next set? Will we receive summer promo tins with the three of them as the featured card? Or maybe some kind of Kalos EX box? It looks really neat I have to say, I can't wait to get these three ex starters.
Interesting side bar, with Wild Blaze's release there are only sixteen Pokemon not released in any way in a set (and if you count the promo/trainer kit Sylveon and the trainer kit Noibat/Noivern then it's really only thirteen, and it's twelve if you don't count Diance which we may not even get in the next set unless we get the english version of Diance and the Cocoon of Destruction over the summer or prior to the third xy english release) which we can probably get next set (again Diance possibly aside). The reveal of Dark Greninja shows we should get other versions of Delphox and Chestnaught, as well as alternates of alot of the other xy Pokemon, let alone those who should have fairy versions like the Clefable line, the Azumarill line, and the Togekiss line. That makes 37 alternate xy Pokemon that COULD be made since they made offensive and defensive versions of Aegislash. There are some versions that probably won't happen, as I doubt that we'll see a colorless Yveltal.
Anyway, the big question I have is how we're going to get Delphox/Greninja/Chestnaught ex. I hope we get this answer sooner rather than later.
Interesting side bar, with Wild Blaze's release there are only sixteen Pokemon not released in any way in a set (and if you count the promo/trainer kit Sylveon and the trainer kit Noibat/Noivern then it's really only thirteen, and it's twelve if you don't count Diance which we may not even get in the next set unless we get the english version of Diance and the Cocoon of Destruction over the summer or prior to the third xy english release) which we can probably get next set (again Diance possibly aside). The reveal of Dark Greninja shows we should get other versions of Delphox and Chestnaught, as well as alternates of alot of the other xy Pokemon, let alone those who should have fairy versions like the Clefable line, the Azumarill line, and the Togekiss line. That makes 37 alternate xy Pokemon that COULD be made since they made offensive and defensive versions of Aegislash. There are some versions that probably won't happen, as I doubt that we'll see a colorless Yveltal.
Anyway, the big question I have is how we're going to get Delphox/Greninja/Chestnaught ex. I hope we get this answer sooner rather than later.
It's nice to see that the Kalos starters are getting EX's. I felt that the last sets with BW starters never really gave them anything special besides Emboar who had the most useful ability. The others were shunned with just reprints, especially Samurott who didn't get a shiny form or a competitively useful card.
The 3 EX's look good, too bad they are tournament promos and cost a lot of money to get. About 25$ a piece... I hope they release them in English as either part of a set, or as Tin Promos.
The 3 EX's look good, too bad they are tournament promos and cost a lot of money to get. About 25$ a piece... I hope they release them in English as either part of a set, or as Tin Promos.
Have dark type japanese cards always look that sexy dark blue color or is that just an image error?
Delphox EX and the new, Darkness-Type Greninja show some promise, but aren't without hang-ups.
Delphox EX: Psybeam is mostly so the card doesn't have to sit dead if it can't afford Wonder Flare; 20 and Confusion for [C] isn't "bad" but it isn't "good", either. Compare it to other Pokémon with similarly priced attacks (there are about a dozen) and you notice that if that if the single Energy attack is the primary reason they see play they are significantly better; multiple Energy card acceleration, single Energy acceleration with damage, more damage to the Active, more damage to the Active with a nifty effect like discarding a Special Energy from the Defending Pokémon, damage to both Active and a Benched Pokémon, etc. Looking to the future, this kind of attack also makes it unlikely we'll get the First Turn Rules restored anytime soon (remember, the problem wasn't attacking first - the problem was attacking for damage first turn).
Wonder Flare is good but not great; right now we don't have a good way of guaranteed the opponent has an Energy in hand. Do we have a way to even see your opponent's hand that isn't a Supporter or an attack? Even if you use effects that force your opponent to draw, we have a similar issue with the few exceptions being random and apt to give your opponent a net decrease in hand-size (N and Red Card). I can still see this working, but mostly because Delphox becomes another big, Basic Pokémon-EX that can take the brand new (in Japan - not out here) Fire-Type support. With Blacksmith and a Double Colorless Energy you can power up Wonder Flare in a single turn... but you can do that with other Pokémon as well.
Greninja: Catch-22 here; if you rely on the protective effect, how do you keep using it turn after turn without having a Frogadier? That matters because if you have anything benched, not only can Pokémon Catcher (on "heads") and Lysandre (at the cost of your Supporter), but even Escape Rope is all but guaranteed to take a Prize and potentially break your "defensive" lock. This is in addition to all the Pokémon that have attacks which ignore effects on the Defending Pokémon that reduce damage, Abilities that place damage counters, and Hypnotoxic Laser. Related is the concern is that even if you're able to spam Devolution Spray to abuse the effect (total of eight "invincible" turns), spread damage will become a concern. Obviously if you do only have a single Pokémon in play, G Booster can win the game in one shot.
The attack is another concern; it isn't abysmal but it isn't 2HKOing the average 180 HP Pokémon-EX which means it needs boosting or else there is a risk you won't win even with eight turns of "invincibility".
Delphox EX: Psybeam is mostly so the card doesn't have to sit dead if it can't afford Wonder Flare; 20 and Confusion for [C] isn't "bad" but it isn't "good", either. Compare it to other Pokémon with similarly priced attacks (there are about a dozen) and you notice that if that if the single Energy attack is the primary reason they see play they are significantly better; multiple Energy card acceleration, single Energy acceleration with damage, more damage to the Active, more damage to the Active with a nifty effect like discarding a Special Energy from the Defending Pokémon, damage to both Active and a Benched Pokémon, etc. Looking to the future, this kind of attack also makes it unlikely we'll get the First Turn Rules restored anytime soon (remember, the problem wasn't attacking first - the problem was attacking for damage first turn).
Wonder Flare is good but not great; right now we don't have a good way of guaranteed the opponent has an Energy in hand. Do we have a way to even see your opponent's hand that isn't a Supporter or an attack? Even if you use effects that force your opponent to draw, we have a similar issue with the few exceptions being random and apt to give your opponent a net decrease in hand-size (N and Red Card). I can still see this working, but mostly because Delphox becomes another big, Basic Pokémon-EX that can take the brand new (in Japan - not out here) Fire-Type support. With Blacksmith and a Double Colorless Energy you can power up Wonder Flare in a single turn... but you can do that with other Pokémon as well.
Greninja: Catch-22 here; if you rely on the protective effect, how do you keep using it turn after turn without having a Frogadier? That matters because if you have anything benched, not only can Pokémon Catcher (on "heads") and Lysandre (at the cost of your Supporter), but even Escape Rope is all but guaranteed to take a Prize and potentially break your "defensive" lock. This is in addition to all the Pokémon that have attacks which ignore effects on the Defending Pokémon that reduce damage, Abilities that place damage counters, and Hypnotoxic Laser. Related is the concern is that even if you're able to spam Devolution Spray to abuse the effect (total of eight "invincible" turns), spread damage will become a concern. Obviously if you do only have a single Pokémon in play, G Booster can win the game in one shot.
The attack is another concern; it isn't abysmal but it isn't 2HKOing the average 180 HP Pokémon-EX which means it needs boosting or else there is a risk you won't win even with eight turns of "invincibility".
That Greninja seems like a real gimmicky card. Maybe if you put in enough devo sprays to continuously reuse the abiliity, you could eventually get some advantage out of it (as they run out of ways to get around it). You still 2hko EXes with Silver Bangle (while setting up easier KOs with snipe).
