ORAS No more Shiny Locks!

xxashxx said:
Oh man when did you find this out because everyone that is on a popular forum I frequent does not really know if it really can be shiny because they have checked times on end and it passed every time and no one there really knows for sure if it can be shiny. How long have you know this information? I am very skeptical? I am skeptical because no one knows the real truth behind the shiny possibilities of these 2 events. I have asked several people on the site and they all say we don't know if this can be shiny or not but we have check this many times and according to our standards it is legit. To me it is legit until proven guilty. Not saying your wrong either but I doubt you know or Kaphotics knows either. I know he is a master programmer and checker etc but I really don't think he knows either. Not saying you guys are bad at stuff but there has not been any official information about these events or their shiny abilities that I know of.:)
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I've known since mid gen 5 (after BW were out for over a year, but before BW2 were even announced. The info was there since mid-to-late gen 4) At that time I frequented Pokecheck since I was learning RNG abuse and the topic came uip several times in the chat there. Two of the chat mods, Hozu (the virtual 'king' of gen 3 RNG) and Kaphotics (expert at dissembling the games and figuring out how the games work. Part of the RNG Reporter dev team, iirc. This is also why Pokecheck's hack checker was so much better than Pokemon Secure's. It actually had the in-game RNG incorperated into the hack checker which worked for 99.99% of all pokemon possible in gens 4&5, along with complete encounter tables and the corresponding levels they appear at) who had taken up an interest in WSHMKR and Ageto and seeing if the shiny lock can be loop holed. I could easily restate my entire last post here, but I'll just let you scroll up a tad if you need it again.

Oh, and for the record, you don't need to post again when all you're going to do is re-post 90% of what you said in your last post. It kinda makes you look dense...

Frost Mage said:
Oh god please tell me that there isn't a lock on Rayquaza...
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There appears to be.. However there is a gen 4 encounter you can go for that's not locked. That's what I went for because gen 3 method 1 (generation method for gen 3 stationaries) IVs suck
 
I have a question regarding Latias/Latios. Are the STORY MODE versions of them shiny locked? Not the ones you get with the Eon Ticket, as im sure those aren't. But seeing as though Rayquaza is shiny locked, what about Groudon, Kyogre, Cosplay Pikachu, and your versions Lati?

Ive tried to look it up and not many people seem to know as of yet.
 
Zielo said:
I have a question regarding Latias/Latios. Are the STORY MODE versions of them shiny locked? Not the ones you get with the Eon Ticket, as im sure those aren't. But seeing as though Rayquaza is shiny locked, what about Groudon, Kyogre, Cosplay Pikachu, and your versions Lati?

Ive tried to look it up and not many people seem to know as of yet.
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Cosplay Pikachu, Groudon, Kygore, Rayquaza, and Deoxys are confirmed shiny locked. Everything else is fair game.
 
It is still not making sense. How did you and Kaphotics actually discover this when he took the games apart and you learned RNG abuse. What was the part of the game mechanic that actually made the shiny lock on these Pokemon? You better spread the word across you know where and I am not talking about Secure then because everyone there does not know this information.:)
 
I wasn't one of those who actively discovered the info, I just came across the results later. By disassembling the games (effectively converting it back to its source code), and looking at the values that resulted compared to what is expected using the RNG coding of the Ruby and Sapphire games, WSHMKR Jirachi's data matched what was expected when using the in game RNG, while Ageto Celebi's data does not. The only other RNG involved in the process it the gamecube's, which is not as easily manipulated as the GBA's (more specifically the Ruby/Sapphire game RNG). By also disassembling the data on the bonus discs, there was a mismatch in the GC RNG controlled by the WSHMKR disc when interfacing with the GBA and the R/S RNG. Ageto was purely the GC's RNG and thus there was nothing to mismatch and the 'broken' shiny lock does not manifest.

As for how I learned RNG abuse, I followed guides posted by others (which use heavy jargon that, while precise, needs different levels of explanation for each person, thus you need another human to 'translate' when learning. Generally, a knowledge of programming and program logic greatly helps learn RNG abuse, which I had plenty of thanks to messing around with the code for games I had played in the past. Explaining RNG abuse in excruciating detail for the guides would make it hard to follow the instructions and make it hard to look things back up when needed)

Anything more, please ask in PMs as it seems you are getting stuck on this topic rather than the thread's topic of the current lack of shiny locks on many previously locked pokemon. I have already posted links to all the info I can find that remains of the research on Ageto (most of it was posted on Smogon, iirc, and was lost in the DDOS attack that resulted in them losing most of the data on their servers for reasons I still haven't looked up)

THIRTEEN said:
IVs suck in GEN 3 only on Emerald, which has a crappy RNG. R/S's is good to go
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Ah yes. I haven't really RNGed anything in R/S since I was mainly concerned with breeding shinies with access to 3rd gen tutor moves (like when Body Slam Togekiss was actually good or Seismic Toss Blissey before it was an egg move) which is only made available in RNG reported for Emerald (R/S gave you far less control over your Trainer ID than Emerald, even though Emerald TIDs were still an uber pain and you still couldn't really control the SID). Also since Quaza wasn't available in R/S - both of which still had live batteries in my case, I only really bothered to use Emerald.
 
I think I got it now thanks but I am finding this very hard to believe. Not saying your wrong but I need at least 2 other sources with this information before it is deemed true because so far the only one with this info. Oh Kaphotics and the other person do not count because they did not give me the information you did. If I hear from 2 others then yeah I will believe it but not until then.:) Thanks man.:)
 
Is there any confirmation on whether or not legendaries use the old shiny odds of 1/8100 or whatever? Because I found a shiny southern island Latios after an hour or so of SR'ing with the shiny charm...
 
You can get the Southern Island Latios and Latias shiny by soft resetting until it is shiny. It was like that in the original games as well. I still have them from when I traded for them on my Diamond version in 2009.:) However I did find out the Shiny WISHMAKR Jirachi can be shiny due to the algorithm that it has. but apparently the Ageto Celebi cannot but I need 1 more confirmation before I can confirm that though.:)
 
Reshiram and Zekrom cannot be shiny. They were not shiny in 5th gen. If any were they were RNG abused and there were no official events for those Pokemon at all.:(
 
xxashxx said:
Reshiram and Zekrom cannot be shiny. They were not shiny in 5th gen. If any were they were RNG abused and there were no official events for those Pokemon at all.:(
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There's photo evidence that Reshiram and Zekrom can be shiny in these games, as well as multiple players saying they've encountered shiny Resh/Zek.
 
xxashxx said:
Reshiram and Zekrom cannot be shiny. They were not shiny in 5th gen. If any were they were RNG abused and there were no official events for those Pokemon at all.:(
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All Legendary Pokémon catchable in ORAS can be shiny (with the excception of Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza and Deoxys) even Reshiram and Zekrom, which I've personally SRd for and caught shiny.
 
xxashxx said:
Reshiram and Zekrom cannot be shiny. They were not shiny in 5th gen. If any were they were RNG abused and there were no official events for those Pokemon at all.:(
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Dude i found a shiny Zekrom about a week ago.
I think it looks kinda cool.
 
Oh. That is news to me. Sorry I did not know that. I don't have the games yet. Why can't the other Pokemon be shiny? They were shiny previously.:(
 
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