Pokemon Nostalgia in Gen. VI: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

Ok first of all the design bits are pure opinion shoulda put that in there at the beginning card slinger. Secondly I don't see any traits aside from the fire and monkey bit that makes pansear a ripoff of chimchar please enlighten me on that. Lastly the reason you probably didn't like the unova designs are a) you don't like the kanto pokemon "tarnished" or b) You don't like the artists who designed thems way of drawing pokemon (most common one right here).
 
RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

Card Slinger J said:
Considering that Pansage, Pansear, and Panpour were in Gen 5's main adventure to help with your Unova Starter's type coverage, the Kanto Starters in Gen 6 does it so much better in covering for your Kalos Starter's weakness instead. Aside from helping you get through the main adventure Pansage, Pansear, and Panpour had no replay value whatsoever as it felt like Game Freak just threw those Pokemon in for one purpose and that's to get through the main adventure of the games, let alone the fact that the designs based on those Pokemon were terrible and lazy especially Pansear and Simisear being rip-offs of Chimchar, Monferno, and Infernape.
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FINALLY! someone else who thinks those monkeys are stupid stupid!

It's amazing how many people defend them. Lazy design, crappy movepool, unnecessary evolutions, redundant function, lazy design, stupid themes, there is not a single saving grace for those things.
 
RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

Am I the only one who thinks some of the designs for 6th gen mon are bland and generic? Bunnelby, for example is really ugly and reminds me a bit of Snubbull.
I also find the Litleo line rather generic and boring looking. It's like we're re-living the worst of the Johto designs.
 
RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

Card Slinger J said:
Plus with the Kanto Starters you get to choose out of in Gen 6 alongside the Kalos Starters they also come with their hidden abilities with Bulbasaur having Thick Fat, Charmander having Drought, and Squirtle with Mega Launcher since the Torchic Wi-Fi Event for Gen 6 already has Speed Boost.
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You can't assume this just because this Torchic event has Speed Boost for at least 2 reasons. Reason number one is that Speed Boost is also Torchic's DW ability. It's equally as likely that the Kanto starters will come with their DW abilities, too. Reason number two is that you're assuming because this Torchic event gets a hidden ability that the Kanto starters you get in-game do, too. This Torchic is a special limited time event while the Kanto starters are available to anyone who plays the game.
 
RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

zappy800 said:
Ok first of all the design bits are pure opinion shoulda put that in there at the beginning card slinger. Secondly I don't see any traits aside from the fire and monkey bit that makes pansear a ripoff of chimchar please enlighten me on that. Lastly the reason you probably didn't like the unova designs are a) you don't like the kanto pokemon "tarnished" or b) You don't like the artists who designed thems way of drawing pokemon (most common one right here).
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It actually did feel like as If Game Freak "tarnished" the Kanto region Pokemon in Gen V with the Unova region Pokemon designs however the cause of this is due to Game Freak constantly replacing their design team throughout each generation of Pokemon which has in some ways hurt the franchise's quality of Pokemon designs since Gen IV. Game Freak should've really kept the design team of Gen IV going into Gen V and we would've had much better designed Pokemon in Unova than the current hand we were dealt with. Besides isn't there something about Sawk and Throh in Gen V that comes off as Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street let alone being clones of Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee?

As for Pansear and Simisear being rip offs of the Chimchar line, sure Simisear isn't Fire/Fighting like Infernape but it annoys me that they have very similar appearances where one has horrible base stats and the other doesn't. Like I said before the elemental monkeys of Gen V were only thrown in the main adventure of Unova to help you get through the first few Gyms until you've caught some Pokemon to help for Type Coverage. Game Freak finally corrected this mistake in Gen VI with the Kanto Starters that you obtain from Professor Sycamore since it's been confirmed that you get the Kalos Starters from someone in the main adventure that isn't a Professor.

Cinesra said:
Card Slinger J said:
Plus with the Kanto Starters you get to choose out of in Gen 6 alongside the Kalos Starters they also come with their hidden abilities with Bulbasaur having Thick Fat, Charmander having Drought, and Squirtle with Mega Launcher since the Torchic Wi-Fi Event for Gen 6 already has Speed Boost.
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You can't assume this just because this Torchic event has Speed Boost for at least 2 reasons. Reason number one is that Speed Boost is also Torchic's DW ability. It's equally as likely that the Kanto starters will come with their DW abilities, too. Reason number two is that you're assuming because this Torchic event gets a hidden ability that the Kanto starters you get in-game do, too. This Torchic is a special limited time event while the Kanto starters are available to anyone who plays the game.
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So you're saying that the Kanto Starters you obtain in Gen VI will have Chlorophyll for Bulbasaur, Solar Power for Charmander, and Rain Dish for Squirtle but when they mega evolve they obtain different hidden abilities with Venusaur having Thick Fat, Charizard having Drought, and Blastoise having Mega Launcher? Sounds like this makes up for the Kanto Starter Dream World distribution outside Japan, but still no Lightningrod Zapdos unless Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres mega evolve in Gen VI? Still it would be nice If the Kanto Starters were version exclusive so that Game Freak could give away the Johto Starters in the other version unless it's being saved for Pokemon Z or scrapped for a Ruby and Sapphire remake in Gen VI.
 
RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

Card Slinger J said:
zappy800 said:
Ok first of all the design bits are pure opinion shoulda put that in there at the beginning card slinger. Secondly I don't see any traits aside from the fire and monkey bit that makes pansear a ripoff of chimchar please enlighten me on that. Lastly the reason you probably didn't like the unova designs are a) you don't like the kanto pokemon "tarnished" or b) You don't like the artists who designed thems way of drawing pokemon (most common one right here).
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It actually did feel like as If Game Freak "tarnished" the Kanto region Pokemon in Gen V with the Unova region Pokemon designs however the cause of this is due to Game Freak constantly replacing their design team throughout each generation of Pokemon which has in some ways hurt the franchise's quality of Pokemon designs since Gen IV. Game Freak should've really kept the design team of Gen IV going into Gen V and we would've had much better designed Pokemon in Unova than the current hand we were dealt with. Besides isn't there something about Sawk and Throh in Gen V that comes off as Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street let alone being clones of Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee?

As for Pansear and Simisear being rip offs of the Chimchar line, sure Simisear isn't Fire/Fighting like Infernape but it annoys me that they have very similar appearances where one has horrible base stats and the other doesn't. Like I said before the elemental monkeys of Gen V were only thrown in the main adventure of Unova to help you get through the first few Gyms until you've caught some Pokemon to help for Type Coverage. Game Freak finally corrected this mistake in Gen VI with the Kanto Starters that you obtain from Professor Sycamore since it's been confirmed that you get the Kalos Starters from someone in the main adventure that isn't a Professor.
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Well personally i hate them too especially since they don't learn any new moves via level up anymore after evolving. But it isn't ever needed for them to give the kanto starters in-game since they always give a pokemon strong to the next gym since yellow.
 
RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

Blob55 said:
Am I the only one who thinks some of the designs for 6th gen mon are bland and generic? Bunnelby, for example is really ugly and reminds me a bit of Snubbull.
I also find the Litleo line rather generic and boring looking. It's like we're re-living the worst of the Johto designs.
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Now that you mention it, the Litleo line reminds me too much of the Growlithe line. Bunnelby reminds me of Buneary but more like Bugs Bunny from Looney Tunes, Meowstic comes across as a better Plusle and Minun from Gen III, Talonflame is well an attempt at a Moltres clone I guess? Vivillon is a Beautifly clone, Skrelp is a Horsea clone, Honedge is a Bronzong clone, and Mega Mewtwo X is a Gallade clone. Game Freak seems like they're rehashing old designs into new one's at this point instead of thinking outside the box like they did with Fennekin's evolution which seems like it will be Fire/Psychic or Fire/Fairy but a foxy witch. I still want my dolphin, koala, el chupacabra, and Jersey Devil Pokemon but knowing Game Freak they're reluctant to give it to us.
 
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I think you're vastly exaggerating things being ripoffs to the point of just making shit up as an excuse to complain about new designs. . Visually the only things Litleo and Growlithe have in common are being four-legged mammals. Litleo is a brown lion cub that looks kind of like a bear. Growlithe is a fluffy dog with orange fur and black stripes and completely different head, tail, and foot design. Talonflame and Moltres have the same typing, but Talonflame's body, head, wings, tail, and everything are completely different. Also there's the fact that it's not fudging on fire. Vivillon and Beautifly are completely different species of butterfly with very different body, head, and wing shape and coloration. Is Beautifly a Butterfree clone? They're both butterflies? How about the moth Pokemon like Venomoth and Dustox, are they Butterfree clones, too? How in the hell can Honedge be a Bronzong clone when one is a ghost sword and the other is a bell? Name one thing Mewtwo and Gallade have in common besides typing, light coloration, and being bipedal. Are both of them Medicham ripoffs? Medicham is a light colored bipedal fight/psychic type, too. It's not like Gallade has sword arms and a Greco-Roman helmet head and Mewtwo is a mutant cat at all. Those are obviously the same thing.
 
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I had no idea there are different types of the same animal!
There's different species...OF THE SAME ANIMAL?!
There can be two moths?
There can be two monkeys?
There can be two birds?
WHOAH!
 
RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

Cinesra said:
Is Beautifly a Butterfree clone? They're both butterflies? How about the moth Pokemon like Venomoth and Dustox, are they Butterfree clones, too?
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Not really...

Cinesra said:
How in the hell can Honedge be a Bronzong clone when one is a ghost sword and the other is a bell? Name one thing Mewtwo and Gallade have in common besides typing, light coloration, and being bipedal. Are both of them Medicham ripoffs? Medicham is a light colored bipedal fight/psychic type, too. It's not like Gallade has sword arms and a Greco-Roman helmet head and Mewtwo is a mutant cat at all. Those are obviously the same thing.
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It just seems like whoever made the design for Bronzong also made the same one for Honedge but they aren't clones of eachother since one is a ghost sword and the other is a bell. As for Mewtwo's Mega Evolution for Pokemon X and Gallade well you got me on that one. I didn't mean to get you angry so I apologize for that. :(

98Greener said:
I had no idea there are different types of the same animal!
There's different species...OF THE SAME ANIMAL?!
There can be two moths?
There can be two monkeys?
There can be two birds?
WHOAH!
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I was overexaggerating about Pokemon designs based on the same species, objects, and whatnot. You don't need to rub it in to make me feel worse about this discussion than I already do right now...
 
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I wouldn't say angry, just really really confused. I can see what you meant about Honedge and Bronzong, though and I do get the same vibe/feel from them, but I wouldn't go so far as to call a ghost sword a clone of a bell
 
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True I get your point on that. I didn't mean to confuse you about it though...
 
RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

Card Slinger J said:
98Greener said:
I had no idea there are different types of the same animal!
There's different species...OF THE SAME ANIMAL?!
There can be two moths?
There can be two monkeys?
There can be two birds?
WHOAH!
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I was overexaggerating about Pokemon designs based on the same species, objects, and whatnot. You don't need to rub it in to make me feel worse about this discussion than I already do right now...
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Sorry.
I get in a really pissed off and sarcastic mood whenever I'm brought into some arguments.
I see that you've apologized though, and I also apologize for getting angry at you.
 
RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

Card Slinger J said:
Plus with the Kanto Starters you get to choose out of in Gen 6 alongside the Kalos Starters they also come with their hidden abilities with Bulbasaur having Thick Fat, Charmander having Drought, and Squirtle with Mega Launcher...
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Thing is, those AREN'T new Hidden Abilities. Those are the abilities they get only when they Mega Evolve. "Mega Venusaur has the Ability Thick Fat," "Mega Charizard has the Ability Drought," and "Mega Blastoise has the Ability Mega Launcher."

Sources:
Charizard Info (including it's Mega info.)
Blastoise Info (including it's Mega info.)
Venusaur Info (including it's Mega info.)
 
RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

exactly.
if Mega Blaziken is any indication, their hidden abilities might actually persist into their mega evolutions, instead of changing to these, which would make the whole reveal of these abilities misleading at this point.
 
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I love this, I haven't looked into Pokémon X & Y, I don't want to spoil it for myself. I only know of the Mega Evo's and the Kanto starter stuff, I am really excited for this, it's going be amazing.
 
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Am i the only one who has never really noticed these 'throwbacks' basically everyone else has seen? I don't really pay attention to the tiny things like that so i probably overlooked them. Only one i can think of is the resetting of the routes.
 
RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

I've noticed a little bit of nostalgia here and there, but it seems to be more inside jokes and Internet memes than anything.
 
RE: Nostalgia in generation 6: Sparking new interest for the old fan base?

Alright so I'm in that age group where your considered a total nerd if you like Pokemon! Although that still might be the case I have been noticing a lot of people at my school have been getting almost a little bit more than me, into Pokemon? This past week it wasn't out of the ordinary to see most people playing on a 3DS (Keep in mind according to most of the dude-bro gamers out there is horrible) with a copy Pokemon X and Y in the cartridge slot! I mean i'm not saying this is a bad thing, actually I think it is awesome but it's just a little bit weird seeing the sporty "jocks" and the "nerds/geeks" coming together for this game! I think it is because there is a little bit of nostalgia involved with them, I mean there is such a big influence with older generations of Pokemon in these two games that I think it might be the reason that so many people are going back and playing them!
 
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