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RE: Twin Towers (OU) -New sweeper in need of critique.

For this team, I think Raikou is the better choice over Zapdos. While Zapdos has that Ground immunity and Roost, you're wanting an offensive Electric type, where Raikou is better, at least in my opinion.

If you find that Substitute isn't doing much for Raikou, consider replacing it with Aura Sphere. You get the same three move coverage that Thundurus had, but you're more bulkier too, especially on the special side.
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU) -New sweeper in need of critique.

^Although, if you do go with Aura Sphere, you have to use a Rash nature on Raikou (due to the only one that has Aura Sphere is the event Raikou), making it slower than a Timid nature, but boosting it's special attack. I'm not sure if the Pokemon Online Teambuilder requires this, but it's what I recall.
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU) -New sweeper in need of critique.

^This little problem, plus the Sub is helping my prediction much better. Some of the things I face have multiple movesets, so I Sub to find out if I should switch out of a move or not and start hazard-racking with the Rotom-W/Scizor core again. Raikou only comes in on something it can resist fully, since one misprediction may cost Raikou dearly.

~AoH
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

I think Raikou is a great option but I agree with ShadowLugia in what he says for Aura Sphere. Idk either but last I checked I made a Timid nature with it and it didn't say it wasn't allowed.
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

If there isn't a way to get Timid Aura Sphere Raikou in the regular games, I don't use it. Also, my spread is for the SubCM version, not an offensive one, as that would require max SAtk.

Also, I've noticed I seem to have a problem with Volcarona. Is there anything on this team that could defeat it?

~AoH
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

Volcarona is a threat to many teams, even rain, but it can easily be countered. Many physical attackers that resist its STABs can easily KO it, and hazards, combined with phazing, also take him out quite easily. Here's an offensive Gyarados set to use as a revenge killer, in place of rotom.

Gyarados @ Choice Scarf
Moxie Ability
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpA)
EV's: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Moves:
Stone Edge
Waterfall
Earthquake
Ice Fang

This is a very effective offensive set, and if there aren't any resists left on the opposing team, Moxie boosts can add up, and possibly result in a sweep. You'll have to predict correctly, though. I can also suggest a Bulky Gyarados set that takes advantage of great typing and phazing against Volcarona. And as for hazards, your team is missing SR support. Perhaps running SR over Spikes on Skarmory is an option.
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

I wouldn't go with Scarf Gyara. It is a terrible moveset for Gyarados imo. It's only use is to revenge Thundurus which is banned now and not to mention that it is still slower than +1 Volcarona so scarf isn't necessary.
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

Rotom was Scarfed, so I figured he wouldn't lose much to the team by using that set, and I never said that Scarf Gyara would outspeed +1 Volc anyways. Gyarados has access to Roar and Dragon Tail, which works wonderfully on Bulky sets. If you can get hazards up and haze a bit, Volcarona can really have a number done to him.
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

But you also didn't suggest replacing Gyara with Rotom-W (or I missed it). Bulky Gyara can work but go with a more sp.defensive set.
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

I did mention replacing Rotom in the original post, but no worries man. And yeah, make sure to give him some SpD EV's, because even at +1 those Bug Buzzes still pack a punch. Gyarados should be a good counter, though.
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

Rotom-W is about as crucial as Politoed. Politoed, especially Specs, is not much of a starter, and Rotom-W is the best weather war killer I've ever used. One shot a whole bunch of leads, won't it? I'm not sure Gyarados has enough merits over it.

Though, I will consider SR on Skarmory. Of course, I'll have to train a new one, plus, in what instance would +1 Volc switch out?

~AoH
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

Volc would switch probably if he's staring down Politoed or Rotom, no one wants to take a Choice Specs Hydro Pump in the rain. And you don't need to "train" a new Skarm, just use PO. Much easier.
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

I do all of this on the actual games, as of now, but I will try.

Scarftom's Hydro Pump in Rain, does it OHKO Volc, and if so, how about +1?

~AoH
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

My comments are in bold.

HipHop (Politoed-M) @Choice Specs
Timid
4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Drizzle
~Hydro Pump
~Focus Blast
~Ice Beam
~Psychic

This is the weather set-up, since without him, no rain and no cornerstone. He functions as a lead blaster, being able to rid me of Tyranitars, Hippowdons, Ninetails, Abomasnows, and other Politoeds. He runs Hydro Pump for the STAB, as 270 BP can't be ignored. Focus Blast is for Ttar and Abomasnow, and for hitting Ferrothorns that dare face me. Gliscor and Dragons as well as Hippowdon get Ice Beamed, as does Thundurus switching-in. Psychic is to get KOs on Toxicroak that try to switch in safely and get surprised. I, like Blue Thunder, thought he was originally dead-weight, but I was proved wrong as well. He proves to be an able-sweeper if the time presents itself, and his prowess at tanking Special hits is somewhat valuable.

Coverage:
Electric- Latios, Raikou
Grass- Latios, Scizor, Skarmory

Change nature to Modest instead of Timid. I can't think of One thing that you will outspeed thats signifigant.

Dragstrip (Latios-M) @Life Orb
Timid
4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Levitate
~Dragon Pulse
~Psyshock
~Surf
~Recover

I really rip this one apart.

This a fairly standard set for Latios on Rain Teams, but I give Blue Thunder the credit for showing me it. He goes Life Orb for added power, Use either Choice Specs or Scarf, trust me, it works MUCH better than Life Orb. and in Rain he has three STAB moves. Dragon Pulse is my main STAB move of choice due to Draco Meteor's accuracy problem and power reduction. Latios isn't a hit and run Pokemon, Yes, it is a hit and run Pokemon. What are you even thinking ._. Also, change Dragon Pulse to Draco Meteor. Latios is a LOT better at hit and run than anything else. so that's my reason. Psyshock is chosen so I can ram through Eviolite Chansey and Blissey that try to wall me, do not even try this, just use Scizor. as well as the occasional Cryogonal. lolcrygonial Surf is basically a STAB move in Rain, and is my weapon against Tyranitar should I stay in, NEVER stay in on a T-tar unless he is <30% and you know for a fact he is not scarfed. as well as Ninetails and Gliscor. Recover is for recovery...



I'm considering Thunder as a means of abusing the rain more and crippling opponents, but with two Thunder abusers already aboard, I don't think it's worth it.

ewwwwwww thunder latios do not want

Coverage:
Dragon- Scizor, Skarmory
Ice- Politoed, Scizor, Rotom-W
Ghost & Dark- Scizor, Skarmory
Bug- Scizor, Skarmory


ChromeShot (Scizor-M) @Choice Band
Adamant
244 HP/252 Atk/12 Spe
Technician
~Bullet Punch
~Superpower
~Pursuit
~U-Turn

Scizor is the lone Physical attacker here, and a darn good one. I elect to go CB so I have a huge power boost. Bullet Punch is an obvious standard on Scizor, with Technician and STAB and LO working for it, plus Priority. Superpower is for Ferrothorn, Tyranitar, Gastrodon, and other things that take neutral damage from it. Pursuit is used only against Latias and Latios, Reuniclus, and Red HP Pokemon switching-out. U-Turn is a means of switching out and scouting, as well as a secondary STAB.

The twelve Speed EVs are for outspeeding other Scizor and his competititors that have a chance to outspeed at eight EVs.

If you want, give him some Leftovers, they work just as good with the amount of HP you've put into him. Especially if you don't want two choiced Pokemon.
Coverage:
Fire- Politoed, Latios, Rotom-W


HAZOP Red (Rotom-W) @Choice Scarf
Modest
252 SAtk/252 Spe/4 HP
Levitate
~Hydro Pump
~Volt Switch
~HP Ice
~Trick

Rotom-W took the role of playing Gliscor killer and Excadrill wall and weather lead, among other things. Hydro Pump has 270 BP in rain, making perfect sense as the main STAB, as well as being the only Water move it learns. This variant forces switches like a Pokemon Catcher (Bad...), and being Scarfed, it's much faster than the weather leads that are so omnipresent. With the current set, it can take out Ninetails, Tyranitar and Politoed with little trouble. Leading with him over Politoed is a much better approach, letting me either switch into an appropriate counter or KO a weather war before it starts. Politoed is at the absolute mercy of Rotom-W especially due to its Volt Switch STAB. HP Ice helps eliminate Gliscor and Landorus, as well as Dragons and problematic Grass-types. Trick let's it cripple walls like Chansey, Blissey and Gastrodon by locking into a support move like Toxic. Its annoyance and defensive synergy with Scizor make it invaluable.

Looks good.

Coverage:
Grass- Latios, Scizor, Skarmory


Falchian (Skarmory-F) @Shed Shell
Impish
252 HP/252 Def/4 Spe
Sturdy
~Spikes
~Roost
~Whirlwind
~Brave Bird

Skarmory is the latest addition, and a very pivotal one as well. The Shed Shell is to make sure I escape Magnezone, and overall will help against any Magnet Pull users like the rare Probopass. Brave Bird is its STAB move, helping against Grass types that may still be in, as they are a problem for a bit of the team. Whirlwind provides its own phazing and racks up residual damage given by either SR or Spikes. Roost is the recovery option, as it's the only wall that has recovery and supports like I need it to. Spikes can be used to slowly kill Volcarona and Magnezone, though it takes three turns to get to full power. This is the big pivot I've needed.

The EVs allow for amazing Defensive bulk and in general, a highly effective set-up on physical attackers.

The name comes from "Falchion", a broad, slightly convex medieval sword with a sharp point, but modified for the Female version.

Looks good again.

Coverage:
Electric- Latios, Raikou
Fire- Politoed, Latios, Rotom-W


Atronarix (Raikou) @Leftovers
Timid
128 HP/76 Def/52 SAtk/252 Spe
Pressure
~Thunder
~HP Ice
~Substitute
~Calm Mind

Let me tell you, taking Zapdos off the team wasn't easy, but I feel like Raikou can handle this job much easier. It has much more bulk and Speed than Thundurus, and more special bulk and Speed than Zapdos. I decided that the Z-Movie one, being Rash, wasn't fast enough, so I chose a SubCM version that works great in Thundurus's stead. Thunder is its optimal STAB move and crux of the set. HP Ice is to attain near perfect coverage in the famed BoltBeam combo as well as hitting Ground, Dragon and Grass Pokemon that resist Thunder. Substitute is the set-up needed to ensure I get a Calm Mind off, maybe two for more special bulk. Calm Mind though is the staple, a move that sets it apart from Thundurus in the form of a massive Special wall. I know that the top WW user, Skarmory, wouldn't dare show its face, so my set-up is safe from phazing. Milotic, Latias and Gyarados won't come in either unless Latias knows I won't use HP Ice and starts CMing herself. There is literally no stopping the set-up unless you resist both offensive moves and can knock down the Sub each time. That will mostly be Physical atttackers, but I will be switching for Skarmory then anyhow.

The EVs may seem a bit odd on SubCM, but there is literally no Flygon in OU. I use the HP to attain a good Sub # and Leftovers boost, and max Speed to ensure the Sub goes up first. The Def and SAtk keep it durable and being able to threaten earlier than usual. I love this one... Thanks to ShadowLugia for spread.

This one is fine as well

Coverage:
Ground- Latios, Rotom-W, Skarmory
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

^Good comments, I didn't notice Toad was Timid. And as for Scarftom, I'm fairly certain that a Hydro Pump (Max SpA) against an unboosted Volc in the rain can OHKO it, probably offensive versions only. Even at +1, I doubt a non-specs Rotom can OHKO it. I'm too tired to do calcs right now, so I'll get on them later.
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

This is my opinion of what should you do: Use the Leftovers more defensive Rotom instead of Scarf/Specs and replace Raikou with Choice Specs Jolteon. Jolteon has that handy Electric immunity and with Timid nature it has more speed than those Scarf Rotoms who specialize in killing +1 Dragonites.

Sets:
Rotom-W @Leftovers
Modest
112 HP / 252 SpA / 144 Spe
Levitate
-Thunder/Thunderbolt
-Hydro Pump
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split

Jolteon @Choice specs
Timid
4HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Volt Absorb
-(HP) Ice
-Thunder
-Volt Switch
-Shadow Ball
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

Thank you, Hatman. My responses:

Politoed: I've been meaning to change that. Timid wasn't gving me enough power.
Latios: My goal with D-Pulse is to not let Volcarona come in and setup while I switch. Surf, now that I think about it, may come as a surprise factor against any Volcs trying to come in. The SAtk loss is really too great, and Specs just doesn't have the variety my team needs from Latios. If it were one of those cookie-cutter ones where you would see 2+ Volc counters and SR, I would immediately change it, but this is not a team that can live without it.
Scizor: I've changed to Quick Attack so after Rotom-W or Latios goes down and fails to OHKO Volc, QA can priority kill it. Pursuit has been taken off.
Rotom-W: Will be staying same.
Skarmory: Considering SR, but will probably stay Spikes.
Raikou: Stuck at that.

s-s:

I tried that Rotom-W set in the past and still have it, but the Scarftom works much better against Volc and in the switching force I have. Plus it's the best lead I can use.
Jolteon, too low defense and HP. If it had more HP like Raikou, I'd use it. Thanks anyways.

SL:

Thanks for the comment there. Be keeping that calc in mind.



I've been looking at Skarmory, and lately, I've been thinking, "Why do I need her right now?" Skarmory was put on to counter Excadrill on Bippa's advice, but with Excadrill banned, I don't really find much use for her. I'm considering putting SDef Registeel back on, mainly because of SR support, T-Wave to allow Scarftom to outspeed +1 Volc, and Toxic for a bit of status. And unlike Skarmory, it can beat Magnezone head-to-head. It fills a great amount of niches Skarmory can't on this team, and it's much better defensively. Opinions?

~AoH
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

Skarmory also beats the fighting types; Conkelurr, Toxicroak and Scrafty. Nothing else on the team can handle these guys, because Latios, who resists Fighting, gets hit hard by Payback, Sucker Punch, Ice Punch and Crunch.
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

Thanks, Bippa. But Volc will be a problem...

Are there any other fixes to that Latios? LO sets are actually pretty variable in rain.

~AoH
 
RE: Twin Towers (OU)

I don't have time for a full rate, but you don't have any Rock resistors. BandTar or SD Terrakion could wreck havoc. I'd suggest putting something like a Quagsire on your team. He ignores all boosts, and provides you with a Rock resist. He also gets a boost from the Rain, making his Waterfall quite a bit stronger.
 
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