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Eh... Exeggutor is sort of its own deck. You need a hand of 0 to make it work, and include a 2-2 Exeggutor line, and a 3-3 or 4-4 Ursaring line, and then your opponent draws a card at the beginning of every turn, and as soon as there's an out to an Uxie, you're dead. So, you'll end up running 2-2 Slowking HGSS, and by the time you include all the staples you need, it's not even worth it.
@Chanman45: Yes, but in order to put their hand to 0,
1. My hand must be at zero.
2. I must burn an attack every time i do it.
3. If I burn said attack, how am I supposed to clean house with "Smarter than your average bear?"
4. Exeggutor is on it's way out. I'm trying to keep this deck comprised mostly of stuff that won't get rotated.
I've always wanted to use Slowking HGSS because I feel that determining your opponents topdeck consistently, barring Power Spray, is amazing, yet most likely not useful enough for modified. This is why I'm including it in this deck. Add to that the fact that "Hammer Arm" discards the top card of your opponent's deck, and as long as Hammer Arm does enough damage to knock out your opponent, you can move the best card to the top and then discard it.
1. My hand must be at zero.
2. I must burn an attack every time i do it.
3. If I burn said attack, how am I supposed to clean house with "Smarter than your average bear?"
4. Exeggutor is on it's way out. I'm trying to keep this deck comprised mostly of stuff that won't get rotated.
I've always wanted to use Slowking HGSS because I feel that determining your opponents topdeck consistently, barring Power Spray, is amazing, yet most likely not useful enough for modified. This is why I'm including it in this deck. Add to that the fact that "Hammer Arm" discards the top card of your opponent's deck, and as long as Hammer Arm does enough damage to knock out your opponent, you can move the best card to the top and then discard it.
*sighs* This is why I never really post on pokebeach anymore.
1. My hand must be at zero.
Not hard to do especially when people burn their hands low enough to use set up
2. I must burn an attack every time i do it.
If you're using it every turn, something is wrong. You use it so you cripple your opponent(ie like Sablelock) and overwhelm them.
3. If I burn said attack, how am I supposed to clean house with "Smarter than your average bear?"
-Read above
4. Exeggutor is on it's way out. I'm trying to keep this deck comprised mostly of stuff that won't get rotated.
-Wasn't listed in the post as I recall, and if so it is only 2-6 cards?
Eh... Exeggutor is sort of its own deck.
So you are going to use a flippy attack?
You need a hand of 0 to make it work, and include a 2-2 Exeggutor line, and a 3-3 or 4-4 Ursaring line, and then your opponent draws a card at the beginning of every turn, and as soon as there's an out to an Uxie, you're dead.
Same goes for sablelock? If your opponent does set up, and don't OHKO it, then they are most likely OHKOed. Easy to get your hand to zero (by adding cards than can burn your hand down like Regice,Bebe, etc) It does nore consistent damage and makes it 'fun' and 'random' listed in the first post. So, you'll end up running 2-2 Slowking HGSS, and by the time you include all the staples you need, it's not even worth it.
I don't see Sablelock run Slowking(maybe Chatot G) and anyway, it would take lots of luck to actually get those 1-3 uxie in your deck (sure there are collectors and the like, but odds of getting those aren't that much higher when you could draw a useless T/S/S/Pokemon/Energy)
Lots of info, even for a fun deck. Crippling, and powerful.
1. My hand must be at zero.
Not hard to do especially when people burn their hands low enough to use set up
2. I must burn an attack every time i do it.
If you're using it every turn, something is wrong. You use it so you cripple your opponent(ie like Sablelock) and overwhelm them.
3. If I burn said attack, how am I supposed to clean house with "Smarter than your average bear?"
-Read above
4. Exeggutor is on it's way out. I'm trying to keep this deck comprised mostly of stuff that won't get rotated.
-Wasn't listed in the post as I recall, and if so it is only 2-6 cards?
Eh... Exeggutor is sort of its own deck.
So you are going to use a flippy attack?
You need a hand of 0 to make it work, and include a 2-2 Exeggutor line, and a 3-3 or 4-4 Ursaring line, and then your opponent draws a card at the beginning of every turn, and as soon as there's an out to an Uxie, you're dead.
Same goes for sablelock? If your opponent does set up, and don't OHKO it, then they are most likely OHKOed. Easy to get your hand to zero (by adding cards than can burn your hand down like Regice,Bebe, etc) It does nore consistent damage and makes it 'fun' and 'random' listed in the first post. So, you'll end up running 2-2 Slowking HGSS, and by the time you include all the staples you need, it's not even worth it.
I don't see Sablelock run Slowking(maybe Chatot G) and anyway, it would take lots of luck to actually get those 1-3 uxie in your deck (sure there are collectors and the like, but odds of getting those aren't that much higher when you could draw a useless T/S/S/Pokemon/Energy)
Lots of info, even for a fun deck. Crippling, and powerful.
^-Getting a hand to 0 isn't THAT tough; HOWEVER, it can be very annoying and/or impossible, depending on the number of Supporters/energy in your hand, if you are Trainer-locked, etc.
-And yeah, you have to use an attack every time their hand goes too high. Which is pretty often. The difference between this and Sablelock is the entire strategy. Sablelock is very very fast, which is why it can donk so often. This is not. You need out your Slowking, Exeggutor, and Ursaring to keep the hand-locking going. And that's after you've got 0 cards in your hand.
-By the time you get this all out, your opponent will still be doing damage every turn. Unlike you, who will be attempting to lock fairly often with Exeggutor once their hand gets high.
-I'm not even going to back up the point about the rotation. He had never mentioned it before.
-Exeggutor IS its own deck. I NEVER said it was a good deck.
-Your opponent sets up against this deck most of the time. Not against Sablelock, which gets set up T1, maybe T2 if they go first.
-Sablolock runs Chatot G, not Slowking. That's a 'Power, which makes it so much better. And it does not take a lot of luck to get that Uxie. Collector, Bebe's, Judge, Looker's, PONT, Communication, etc. There are so many search cards out there.
-And yeah, you have to use an attack every time their hand goes too high. Which is pretty often. The difference between this and Sablelock is the entire strategy. Sablelock is very very fast, which is why it can donk so often. This is not. You need out your Slowking, Exeggutor, and Ursaring to keep the hand-locking going. And that's after you've got 0 cards in your hand.
-By the time you get this all out, your opponent will still be doing damage every turn. Unlike you, who will be attempting to lock fairly often with Exeggutor once their hand gets high.
-I'm not even going to back up the point about the rotation. He had never mentioned it before.
-Exeggutor IS its own deck. I NEVER said it was a good deck.
-Your opponent sets up against this deck most of the time. Not against Sablelock, which gets set up T1, maybe T2 if they go first.
-Sablolock runs Chatot G, not Slowking. That's a 'Power, which makes it so much better. And it does not take a lot of luck to get that Uxie. Collector, Bebe's, Judge, Looker's, PONT, Communication, etc. There are so many search cards out there.
-Getting a hand to 0 isn't THAT tough; HOWEVER, it can be very annoying and/or impossible, depending on the number of Supporters/energy in your hand, if you are Trainer-locked, etc.
If you build the deck TO FIT THE STRATEGY, then it isn't a problem. IT CAN EASILY SET UP AS A T1 DECK (assuming you can play trainers) and has MANY ideal methods to reduce your hand to zero. ONE EXAMPLE IS REGICE, which can be searched by collector and switch out Spiritomb. Trainers help alot and Ursaring can abuse DCE and can take a hit.
-And yeah, you have to use an attack every time their hand goes too high. Which is pretty often. The difference between this and Sablelock is the entire strategy. Sablelock is very very fast, which is why it can donk so often. This is not. You need out your Slowking, Exeggutor, and Ursaring to keep the hand-locking going. And that's after you've got 0 cards in your hand.
I JUST SAID I WAS SIMILAR TO SABLELOCK ie. disruption. Sure you can donk, but you increase your risk of getting T1'd by a Machamp, Uxie Donk, etc. You don't need slowking. Why waste your time doing that when you can use CHATOT G which is searchable by collector. You know, even when you cyrus their hand away they can still topdeck too you know. Eggs can be just as fast as Sablelock, with LESS luck involved. THEY BOTH have the same liabilities. How often will they get that Uxie/search card? not often. and when they do attack, how much are going to do to an ursaring? OHKO? Not likely. Ursaring is a powerful hitter and the effect of the first attack is a bonus. Much like Sablelock (If you haven''t noticed already)
-By the time you get this all out, your opponent will still be doing damage every turn. Unlike you, who will be attempting to lock fairly often with Exeggutor once their hand gets high.
Even when they do set up, when will that be. How much damage? If they don't OHKO the Ursaring they activate the Pokebody.
-I'm not even going to back up the point about the rotation. He had never mentioned it before.
Fair enough
-Exeggutor IS its own deck. I NEVER said it was a good deck.
If it was it's own deck, then it wouldn't be any good. That's why you pair it up with Ursaring to make it good silly.
-Your opponent sets up against this deck most of the time. Not against Sablelock, which gets set up T1, maybe T2 if they go first.
Umm, it sets up just as fast as Sablelock? You know there are cards like BTS, Uxie, Trainers etc you know.
-Sablolock runs Chatot G, not Slowking. That's a 'Power, which makes it so much better. And it does not take a lot of luck to get that Uxie. Collector, Bebe's, Judge, Looker's, PONT, Communication, etc. There are so many search cards out there.And Ursaring can't use Chatot G? You know, SP cards CAN BE USED IN A NON SP DECK. And for the sake of it, if I were to use Slowking its a power I can use EVERY TURN. Tell me how many of those search cards you are you going to run in 1 deck. And anyway, who on earth is going to expect a Ursaring/Exeggutor deck anyway? Right???
If you build the deck TO FIT THE STRATEGY, then it isn't a problem. IT CAN EASILY SET UP AS A T1 DECK (assuming you can play trainers) and has MANY ideal methods to reduce your hand to zero. ONE EXAMPLE IS REGICE, which can be searched by collector and switch out Spiritomb. Trainers help alot and Ursaring can abuse DCE and can take a hit.
-And yeah, you have to use an attack every time their hand goes too high. Which is pretty often. The difference between this and Sablelock is the entire strategy. Sablelock is very very fast, which is why it can donk so often. This is not. You need out your Slowking, Exeggutor, and Ursaring to keep the hand-locking going. And that's after you've got 0 cards in your hand.
I JUST SAID I WAS SIMILAR TO SABLELOCK ie. disruption. Sure you can donk, but you increase your risk of getting T1'd by a Machamp, Uxie Donk, etc. You don't need slowking. Why waste your time doing that when you can use CHATOT G which is searchable by collector. You know, even when you cyrus their hand away they can still topdeck too you know. Eggs can be just as fast as Sablelock, with LESS luck involved. THEY BOTH have the same liabilities. How often will they get that Uxie/search card? not often. and when they do attack, how much are going to do to an ursaring? OHKO? Not likely. Ursaring is a powerful hitter and the effect of the first attack is a bonus. Much like Sablelock (If you haven''t noticed already)
-By the time you get this all out, your opponent will still be doing damage every turn. Unlike you, who will be attempting to lock fairly often with Exeggutor once their hand gets high.
Even when they do set up, when will that be. How much damage? If they don't OHKO the Ursaring they activate the Pokebody.
-I'm not even going to back up the point about the rotation. He had never mentioned it before.
Fair enough
-Exeggutor IS its own deck. I NEVER said it was a good deck.
If it was it's own deck, then it wouldn't be any good. That's why you pair it up with Ursaring to make it good silly.
-Your opponent sets up against this deck most of the time. Not against Sablelock, which gets set up T1, maybe T2 if they go first.
Umm, it sets up just as fast as Sablelock? You know there are cards like BTS, Uxie, Trainers etc you know.
-Sablolock runs Chatot G, not Slowking. That's a 'Power, which makes it so much better. And it does not take a lot of luck to get that Uxie. Collector, Bebe's, Judge, Looker's, PONT, Communication, etc. There are so many search cards out there.And Ursaring can't use Chatot G? You know, SP cards CAN BE USED IN A NON SP DECK. And for the sake of it, if I were to use Slowking its a power I can use EVERY TURN. Tell me how many of those search cards you are you going to run in 1 deck. And anyway, who on earth is going to expect a Ursaring/Exeggutor deck anyway? Right???
If you know that you are winning this argument, then just stop replying. Both of you clearly know what you are doing, and let's not forget FlamemasterX is the one who is creating the deck. Stop making it sound like it is your own, or make your own thread. And about the "Pokebeach noobs" thing, I'll admit that I am a Pokebeach noob, but that doesn't mean that I am not good at the TCG. So quit bashing people who you think they don't know what they are talking about.
I gave valid points. Your post is an example why I rarely post in the cards forum anymore. I gave reasons and he did not think they were good enough. So I gave more reasons about how the deck is good. That is not acting like two. Younger people don't understand the level of strategy at a masters level. Which is why I don't post often, and sounded so arrogant because Juniors/Seniors just don't understand. Also, I did not make sound like omg this is my best deck ever. I gave valid points.
@ Chanman45: Ursaring is extremely fragile, and will most likely be OHKO'd quite often, actually. Optimally, I'll place the damage counter needed to activate Beserk myself, either by Rainbow Energy, or by Teddiursa's Take Down. This leaves me with 100 HP. Doing 100 damage isn't that hard, which is why I want to swarm my Ursarings.
Also, I've tested this with Slowking and it's amazing. Originally I was just running a 2-2 line so I didn't get prize screwed, but I've found out that setting both up and disrupting my opponent AND helping myself works the best.
Idea is that if you're going to attack with Hammer Arm, you put the opponent's best card on top, so it gets discarded, and their worst card in the middle, so they draw into it next turn. If you don't have the energy to attack, put their best card on bottom and just keep Second Sighting it away. Lookers both makes sure they have no hand refresh, and helps me refresh my own hand.
In regards to Exeggutor, I just don't think it fits the deck. Slowking works very well, and I don't want to add a new stage 1 to the deck. So that puts to rest that argument.
Also, I've tested this with Slowking and it's amazing. Originally I was just running a 2-2 line so I didn't get prize screwed, but I've found out that setting both up and disrupting my opponent AND helping myself works the best.
Idea is that if you're going to attack with Hammer Arm, you put the opponent's best card on top, so it gets discarded, and their worst card in the middle, so they draw into it next turn. If you don't have the energy to attack, put their best card on bottom and just keep Second Sighting it away. Lookers both makes sure they have no hand refresh, and helps me refresh my own hand.
In regards to Exeggutor, I just don't think it fits the deck. Slowking works very well, and I don't want to add a new stage 1 to the deck. So that puts to rest that argument.
Not that its a pokemon persay, but why noy try memory berry? I got killed at league once by an ursaring deck. It was also pure Ursaring. E-belt + Memory berry on Ursaring allows you to take down while being Ursaring (As im sure you know already). I was set up and ready to deal out the offense, but the Berserk kept halting my deck, thus slowing it down. I don't think IMO that Ursaring is a weak pokemon, rather it requires speed to use it.