People's Opinions on Expanded Being Used at Worlds?

Valex

Valex

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Hey guys, so as I understand it this year at worlds Expanded will be the format played and the finals will also be played in this format (not sure on the way things proceed at Worlds, so finals could be done on day 1 as far as I know).

Personally I think this is pretty lame, for the majority of tournaments standard is the format played and most people will be a lot more versed in standard than expanded, but to work the entire year gaining points for Worlds with your standard deck and learning standard matchups, to be possibly thrown a curveball because a multitude of expended decks make an appearance that you may not have played against as much or at all kinda sucks, especially if it ends up in a loss. I don't plan on going to worlds so it doesn't really affect me, but the idea seems nonsensical to me.

Do you think its a good thing that expanded is being used at worlds or not?
 
While it isn't ideal to have to study two formats, it is very interesting. We have already had to work on expanded due to Regionals. The competitors working on the invite or already have it, already studying the expanded format. I honestly think it's more interesting since it opens the door to many possibilities.
 
I think it's great, expanded has a larger card-pool and a more diversified meta game, with more room for "rogue" decks
 
The entirety of Worlds this year will be played in Standard format according to the Pokémon website.
 
Blah said:
The entirety of Worlds this year will be played in Standard format according to the Pokémon website.
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This is true.

I was talking to the head Asia Pacific TO a couple of weeks back when we found this out, and while disappointing, it made sense. Firstly, the US is the only area to be using Expanded at all, everywhere else isn't using it for anything. Because of this foreign players don't really keep up with how the Top 32 meta is simply because it isn't relevant. Secondly, for a place like South Africa (one new to the competitive scene) most of their players won't even have any knowledge of what was good in previous formats and even less would have [access to] the cards needed. Lastly, it doesn't make sense for the penultimate event of the season be split into two different formats, it's not representative if the season enough for it to fly well.


pygohan said:
While it isn't ideal to have to study two formats, it is very interesting. We have already had to work on expanded due to Regionals. The competitors working on the invite or already have it, already studying the expanded format. I honestly think it's more interesting since it opens the door to many possibilities.
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As I said above, it's not about the US. it's about every other country that doesn't use it (a la, all of them).
 
Blui said:
Blah said:
The entirety of Worlds this year will be played in Standard format according to the Pokémon website.
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This is true.

I was talking to the head Asia Pacific TO a couple of weeks back when we found this out, and while disappointing, it made sense. Firstly, the US is the only area to be using Expanded at all, everywhere else isn't using it for anything. Because of this foreign players don't really keep up with how the Top 32 meta is simply because it isn't relevant. Secondly, for a place like South Africa (one new to the competitive scene) most of their players won't even have any knowledge of what was good in previous formats and even less would have [access to] the cards needed. Lastly, it doesn't make sense for the penultimate event of the season be split into two different formats, it's not representative if the season enough for it to fly well.

For these reason (and some others) is exactly why I felt it was a pretty horrible idea to have the rounds that arguably matter the most be based on a format that overall isn't that relevant throughout the season.

I got my information from the website, the part where it mentions Expanded being used on the second day, so if they've decided to not go with that in the end i'll be very happy.
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Right now, most of the deck archetypes that are viable in Expanded as the same decks that are played in Standard. The difference is that certain decks are stronger in Expanded due to the support cards that are available. VirGen, for example won several Regionals in the fall. A major factor is Skyarrow Bridge, which is only playable in Expanded, but gives all of the Pokemon in VirGen free retreat. These makes conserving energy easier and allows you to Emerald Slash whenever you like with no consequence of discarding energy or wasting a Switch. Super Rod also helps to get Grass energy back into the deck after it's been discarded with G-Booster. But as you know, VirGen is also viable in Standard, as is Yveltal, Seismitoad, etc. The playstyle of each deck's Standard and Expanded versions do differ slightly due to what's available, but right now they're still pretty similar.

The only deck of note right now that can be used in Expanded but not Standard is Eelektrik NVI (Eels), which hasn't seen success in competitive play. With Bronzong being a more reliable version of the deck, I don't think we'll be seeing Eels resurface any time soon. In fact, Bronzong could benefit greatly from Expanded cards like Level / Heavy Ball and Tropical Beach.

As someone working toward a Worlds invite this year (a guy can dream, right?) I am curious to see what an all-Expanded tournament of this magnitude would be like. It's going to take some getting used to, and while there are balance shifts, you can probably expect the same archetypes you see in Standard to be played in Expanded.

When the BW cards rotate, we could be looking at a totally different Expanded metagame. However, with this being close to a year away, it's too early to be discussing that.
 
It does not matter to me people should be allowed to use their favorite cards in a deck or the most useful to them so if they are in expanded the format should be used to give players who don't have much of the newer sets a chance.
 
Majestic_night said:
It does not matter to me people should be allowed to use their favorite cards in a deck or the most useful to them so if they are in expanded the format should be used to give players who don't have much of the newer sets a chance.
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Players who don't have cards from the new sets most likely won't be going to worlds or even making worlds anyways. Allowing players to use the "most useful cards" can easily create decks that are "broken" or close to unbeatable if the player wins the coin flip.
 
Like I said im not bothered by this but I know that some black and white decks could still hold their own against some of the newer ones and I know most of the cards got reprinted but some of the expanded format can be useful to modern decks like Dragons Exalted's Registeel EX could be a big help to Bronzong decks by its 3 colourless energy can deal 30 damage to 3 of the opponents pokemon and the energy used can be recycled by the benched Bronzongs and not to mention all the useful trainer cards that can be used in conjunction with it so if Player A bought some of the cards and traded some with players B and C (if this gets confusing im trying to not name people so just please keep with me here) they could have the full deck so they can use it but again I don't know how well this would work so judge as you will.
 
When you're playing against friends you use whatever you want, but when it comes to a tournament type of situation I believe standard should be the ONLY option.
 
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