PokéBeach Official TCG Tier List
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RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List
Well, I you put most decks where they belong, but some of them where to low, or to high.
Tier 1:
Darkrai variants. (BTW You spelt Variants wrong)
Zekrom/Eelektrik
MTC
Tier 1.5:
Mono-Terrakion/other Terrakion variants
Tornadus/Terrakion/Mewtwo
Tier 2:
Mono-Entei
Klingklang Variants
Accelgor
Durant doesn't even need to go anywhere... It never wins. I also think, that this new deck Scizor Prime/Steelix Prime/Palkia Dialga Legend deck deserves tier 2 at least.
Well, I you put most decks where they belong, but some of them where to low, or to high.
Tier 1:
Darkrai variants. (BTW You spelt Variants wrong)
Zekrom/Eelektrik
MTC
Tier 1.5:
Mono-Terrakion/other Terrakion variants
Tornadus/Terrakion/Mewtwo
Tier 2:
Mono-Entei
Klingklang Variants
Accelgor
Durant doesn't even need to go anywhere... It never wins. I also think, that this new deck Scizor Prime/Steelix Prime/Palkia Dialga Legend deck deserves tier 2 at least.
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List
I'm basing Tiers on what people recommend and tournament success. If it was up to me, I would take Durant out but people insist that it stays. I can't include that deck of yours because it's not yet established in the metagame.
Martini said:
I'm basing Tiers on what people recommend and tournament success. If it was up to me, I would take Durant out but people insist that it stays. I can't include that deck of yours because it's not yet established in the metagame.
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List
What the heck is Tornadus/Terrakion/Mewtwo?
And Accelgor, Durant, 6 Corners, VvV, and TyRam are simply not played enough to go on a tier list. You might as well put on EelZone and Gothitelle if you put them on.
You have way to many unplayable and non-meta decks on here.
What the heck is Tornadus/Terrakion/Mewtwo?
And Accelgor, Durant, 6 Corners, VvV, and TyRam are simply not played enough to go on a tier list. You might as well put on EelZone and Gothitelle if you put them on.
You have way to many unplayable and non-meta decks on here.
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List
Tier List as of now
Tier 1:
Zekeels variants
Darkrai varients
Tier 1.5:
MTC
Terrakion varients
Tier 2:
Entei
Paralysis
KlingKlang
Empoleon
Each tier has no specific order.
Tier List as of now
Tier 1:
Zekeels variants
Darkrai varients
Tier 1.5:
MTC
Terrakion varients
Tier 2:
Entei
Paralysis
KlingKlang
Empoleon
Each tier has no specific order.
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List
Oops- removed them from the Tier List, but forgot to edit the decklists out. Tornadus/Terrakion/Mewtwo (aka Troll.dek) is an anti-meta deck that has been doing good since late cities season, but lately it has gotten 5 BR wins in Masters.
alexmf2 said:
Oops- removed them from the Tier List, but forgot to edit the decklists out. Tornadus/Terrakion/Mewtwo (aka Troll.dek) is an anti-meta deck that has been doing good since late cities season, but lately it has gotten 5 BR wins in Masters.
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List
Tornadus/Terrakion/Mewtwo actually is a great deck. If you can get it consistent enough, you can compete with the top tier decks such as CMT, and so.
If they did good somewhere, that is probably why there still there.
Tornadus/Terrakion/Mewtwo actually is a great deck. If you can get it consistent enough, you can compete with the top tier decks such as CMT, and so.
Nigel said:
If they did good somewhere, that is probably why there still there.
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List
MTC deserved to be Tier 1. Along with Eels and Darkrai varients, it has won far more Battle Roads than anything else, thus putting it in Tier 1.5 would be a large drop, putting it with decks that haven't had half as much success.
This morning when VVV was on the Tier List, everyone flipped out so I removed it.
armaldo1 said:
MTC deserved to be Tier 1. Along with Eels and Darkrai varients, it has won far more Battle Roads than anything else, thus putting it in Tier 1.5 would be a large drop, putting it with decks that haven't had half as much success.
This morning when VVV was on the Tier List, everyone flipped out so I removed it.
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List
Where did Empoleon go? That's more played than half the things on the list :/. Tornadus/Terrakion/Mewtwo, Klinklang, VvV and Durant are simply not played enough to be considered meta. There isn't any other way I can say that.
Also, did you not like my Darkrai and Terrakion lists or something? You added my ZekEels one, but not the others.
Where did Empoleon go? That's more played than half the things on the list :/. Tornadus/Terrakion/Mewtwo, Klinklang, VvV and Durant are simply not played enough to be considered meta. There isn't any other way I can say that.
Also, did you not like my Darkrai and Terrakion lists or something? You added my ZekEels one, but not the others.
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List
Everything loses those. The only great loss compared the other decks for Zekrom/Eelektrik is Junk Arm. Smeargle and Shaymin leaving is the least of problems to Eelektrik, and Oak's is an equal problem for everything. And Eelquaza is a different deck then Zekrom/Eelektrik. You need Fire Energies, and different attackers.
Bryan506 said:
Everything loses those. The only great loss compared the other decks for Zekrom/Eelektrik is Junk Arm. Smeargle and Shaymin leaving is the least of problems to Eelektrik, and Oak's is an equal problem for everything. And Eelquaza is a different deck then Zekrom/Eelektrik. You need Fire Energies, and different attackers.
RE: PokeBeach Official Tier List
I'd say it's more like
Tier 1:
ZekEel
Darkrai
Tier 1.5:
CTM
Mono Fighting
Tier 2:
Klinklang
Empoleon
Vileplume variants (not just Accelgor)
Quad Entei
all the other stuff you said I guess
I think that there's no dispute that Darkrai is the card that's defining the format right now. It's fast, consistent, has a great ability, great attack, can deny KOs, has synergy with quite a few cards, and can take multiple prizes in the same turn, even against non-EX cards. ZekEel stands up to all of that very well thanks to Terrakion, and has a pretty favorable matchup there. However, it's a cut below Darkrai when playing the other decks in the format simply because it's one of the slowest decks nowadays.
Mono Fighting is the lame meta-counter deck with good enough matchups to keep it winning but really isn't that amazing when it comes down to it. CTM is a very good deck, but it just falls into the shadow of Darkrai and Eelektrik when you look at what it takes in this format to be successful. It's too vulnerable to N, doesn't offer very consistent energy acceleration, can't use Smeargle very effectively thanks to Celebi, struggles to consistently set up Retaliates, almost all of its main attackers have nasty weaknesses, it lacks late-game power, and just doesn't have the stellar matchups that Darkrai and Eelektrik have. Every matchup with CTM is about 50-50, so every matchup you play is going to be a struggle. However, all four of these decks are still the best available. There's just a clear division between the top two and the bottom two.
All of the Stage 2 decks and other random decks (mostly Quads) simply aren't as effective as the "Big 4" decks at trying to do what they do, but at the same time are able to bring enough unique benefits to the table to be playable. Whether it's draw, board control, disruption, or some combination of these things, they have some unique niches for lack of a better word. When it comes down to it, though, they lack the speed, consistency, and/or matchups that keep the big four decks on top. Darkrai and CTM are very good at exploiting early-game weakness, while Eelektrik is very good at exploiting late-game inconsistency and Stage 2 decks tend to have both of those things. And the Quad decks have too one-dimensional of a strategy to be popular or great plays.
The nice thing about this format, though, is that there are quite a few decks with the potential to be Tier 2 and playable, even outside of the ones already listed. Magnezone, Lugia Legend, Typhlosion, Emboar, various Plume variants, etc. are all decent. I think the real debate in this thread is going to be about which decks to include in Tier 2 and which to leave out of it, not which decks should be in Tier 1 and 1.5.
So, thoughts, on reorganizing it to be like what I put?
I'd say it's more like
Tier 1:
ZekEel
Darkrai
Tier 1.5:
CTM
Mono Fighting
Tier 2:
Klinklang
Empoleon
Vileplume variants (not just Accelgor)
Quad Entei
all the other stuff you said I guess
I think that there's no dispute that Darkrai is the card that's defining the format right now. It's fast, consistent, has a great ability, great attack, can deny KOs, has synergy with quite a few cards, and can take multiple prizes in the same turn, even against non-EX cards. ZekEel stands up to all of that very well thanks to Terrakion, and has a pretty favorable matchup there. However, it's a cut below Darkrai when playing the other decks in the format simply because it's one of the slowest decks nowadays.
Mono Fighting is the lame meta-counter deck with good enough matchups to keep it winning but really isn't that amazing when it comes down to it. CTM is a very good deck, but it just falls into the shadow of Darkrai and Eelektrik when you look at what it takes in this format to be successful. It's too vulnerable to N, doesn't offer very consistent energy acceleration, can't use Smeargle very effectively thanks to Celebi, struggles to consistently set up Retaliates, almost all of its main attackers have nasty weaknesses, it lacks late-game power, and just doesn't have the stellar matchups that Darkrai and Eelektrik have. Every matchup with CTM is about 50-50, so every matchup you play is going to be a struggle. However, all four of these decks are still the best available. There's just a clear division between the top two and the bottom two.
All of the Stage 2 decks and other random decks (mostly Quads) simply aren't as effective as the "Big 4" decks at trying to do what they do, but at the same time are able to bring enough unique benefits to the table to be playable. Whether it's draw, board control, disruption, or some combination of these things, they have some unique niches for lack of a better word. When it comes down to it, though, they lack the speed, consistency, and/or matchups that keep the big four decks on top. Darkrai and CTM are very good at exploiting early-game weakness, while Eelektrik is very good at exploiting late-game inconsistency and Stage 2 decks tend to have both of those things. And the Quad decks have too one-dimensional of a strategy to be popular or great plays.
The nice thing about this format, though, is that there are quite a few decks with the potential to be Tier 2 and playable, even outside of the ones already listed. Magnezone, Lugia Legend, Typhlosion, Emboar, various Plume variants, etc. are all decent. I think the real debate in this thread is going to be about which decks to include in Tier 2 and which to leave out of it, not which decks should be in Tier 1 and 1.5.
So, thoughts, on reorganizing it to be like what I put?
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