Pokemon Black & White Dark Explorer's Theme Decks

ErikH526

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Raiders Theme Deck

2× Cofagrigus (Rare + Holo)
4× Yamask
2× Woobat
1× Espeon
1× Krookodile (Non-Holo Exclusive)
2× Krokorok
3× Sandile
2× Umbreon
1× Scrafty
2× Scraggy
3× Sableye
4× Eevee
2× Chatot
1× Chansey
2× Dark Claw
1× Exp. Share
1× Eviolite
1× Rocky Helmet
2× Cheren
1× Professor Juniper
2× Energy Search
2× Pokemon Communication
12× Darkness Energy
6× Psychic Energy

2x Dark Claw + 1x Eviolite sounds worth it!

I only Know that Shadows had Zoroark but anyone that has it I would appreciate it if you had the deck list.
 
This deck is actually sorta nice with all the good T/T/S in it. I really wanna see what's in the Zoroark deck though.
 
Zorua said:
This deck is actually sorta nice with all the good T/T/S in it. I really wanna see what's in the Zoroark deck though.

From what I saw, it was:

4-2 Zoroark (2 good Zoroarks, IDK about Zorua)
x-x-1 Empoleon

I can check the full list tomorrow if you really want.
 
Mudkip711 said:
From what I saw, it was:

4-2 Zoroark (2 good Zoroarks, IDK about Zorua)
x-x-1 Empoleon

I can check the full list tomorrow if you really want.

Assuming it comes with Dark Claw/Dark Patch, I'd probably pick it up just to finish up my Dark deck for the stuff I dont get from my box.
 
Zorua said:
Assuming it comes with Dark Claw/Dark Patch, I'd probably pick it up just to finish up my Dark deck for the stuff I don't get from my box.

I think it did. I'm like 99% sure it did. It's one of the best decks since the Stormfront ones.
 
This is rare... Both decks share one type (darkness in this case, because of the set, of course)... This happened before in TRR (because those decks, one had Arbok and the other had Weezing, the signature pokémon of Jessie and James) and in CG (two of the three deck contained water energy, but 1 of them wasn't as widely available as the other two)... So, I believe this wasn't expected...
 
If someone could post up Shadows that'd be cool... Also what are the holos like in the decks? Do they have the shatter pattern, or the ND effect?
 
So anybody have any clue of what the 5 rares for the Shadows deck are?

I am basing assumptions that a rare in the Shadows deck won't be in the Raiders deck and vice versa. I am also basing the assumption that the Shadows deck is Water and Darkness based.

2 Zoroark
1 Empoleon
1 Glaceon
1 Swanna

Another candidate for the rare is Stoutland, but considering that the Raiders deck has only one stage 2 rare, I would assume that Shadows also has 1 stage 2 rare, and that is already taken by empoleon.

So for those who got this deck early, am I right on the money?
 
These decks are super-duper awesome! Retail here I come (actually internet)! Gonna get Shadows...like a boss...
 
Someone posted the decklist for Shadows at the Pokegym. Just use Google to get there. I was also correct in the rares that Shadows would have, them being 2 Zoroark, 1 Glaceon, 1 Empoleon, and 1 Swanna.

Now there is one more thing they could have done. Post the openings of these bad boys on youtube, so I can look at how the playmat looks like, or at least post an image of that playmat.
 
The trainer lines in the Shadows deck list is appalling. No dark patch or dark claw. Not even Junipers or Ns. Only good thing is the Zoroark and the Ascension Zorua. Other than that it's not worth buying at all. Disappointing.
 
Completely forgot I had an account here =P So, here are my thoughts about the Shadows decklist:

I have my doubts about the Shadows list from Pokegym being true for a number of reasons:

- It has more Supporters. That hasn't been done yet for BW Theme Decks: they always have the same amount. I don't see why they'd suddenly change that (yeah, because Raiders has lots of Tools I suppose, but I still doubt it). Cilan is also in no way comparable to Juniper.
- Way too few Darks. How is Zoroark supposed to work with this? I was surprised Raiders got so many Tools for Con as that's pretty rare for a Theme Deck, so I'm especially surprised Zoroark isn't properly supported. Sure, Raiders got lots of Dark Pokemon already, but still... At least Raiders had few Psychics because the set lacks them.
- No Item from Dark Explorers while Raiders got 2x Dark Claw. I really expected 2x Dark Patch as the equivalent of that (I did NOT expect Dark Claw like others expected, though. At least that's correct in this decklist)
- As points 1 and 3 (and kinda point 2 as well) show: Theme Decks usually are similar to each other (IF possible). Like also the single stage-2 line etcetera. So, I really expected 4x Eevee with 1x Glaceon and 2x Umbreon (the one that ISN'T in Raiders. It's the same rarity after all) (or just 1 Umbreon and instead a Vaporeon as the third Eeveelution).
- The list just sucks in general. This isn't a surprise with Theme Decks, but even for a Theme Deck it's really disappointing: it's the same quality as the Emerging Powers Theme Decks.

I really hope my hunch is correct and he just posted a fake list...
 
GamerXYZ said:
Completely forgot I had an account here =P So, here are my thoughts about the Shadows decklist:

I have my doubts about the Shadows list from Pokegym being true for a number of reasons:

- It has more Supporters. That hasn't been done yet for BW Theme Decks: they always have the same amount. I don't see why they'd suddenly change that (yeah, because Raiders has lots of Tools I suppose, but I still doubt it). Cilan is also in no way comparable to Juniper.
- Way too few Darks. How is Zoroark supposed to work with this? I was surprised Raiders got so many Tools for Con as that's pretty rare for a Theme Deck, so I'm especially surprised Zoroark isn't properly supported. Sure, Raiders got lots of Dark Pokemon already, but still... At least Raiders had few Psychics because the set lacks them.
- No Item from Dark Explorers while Raiders got 2x Dark Claw. I really expected 2x Dark Patch as the equivalent of that (I did NOT expect Dark Claw like others expected, though. At least that's correct in this decklist)
- As points 1 and 3 (and kinda point 2 as well) show: Theme Decks usually are similar to each other (IF possible). Like also the single stage-2 line etcetera. So, I really expected 4x Eevee with 1x Glaceon and 2x Umbreon (the one that ISN'T in Raiders. It's the same rarity after all) (or just 1 Umbreon and instead a Vaporeon as the third Eeveelution).
- The list just sucks in general. This isn't a surprise with Theme Decks, but even for a Theme Deck it's really disappointing: it's the same quality as the Emerging Powers Theme Decks.

I really hope my hunch is correct and he just posted a fake list...

I too thought that there would be an umbreon in there, but at least the rares sort of go with each other.

Zoroark Cofagrigus
Empoleon Krookodile
Glaceon Espeon
Swanna Scrafty

The deck name logos are different from the ones from Black and White to Next Destinies, so maybe they are doing something different this time.

It has been standard for many sets, but it is always the case that one deck would get sold way more than the other one. I can prove it by the number of unsold decks that are still flocking wal-mart shelves.

Examples, from BW onwards, are, Green Tornado, Toxic Tricks, Fast Daze, and it is still too early to see which one of Explosive Edge or Voltage Vortex will become a shelf warmer. Looking at the Shadows decklist, that deck becomes the shelfwarmer, while Raiders will sell more.

My point, I keep on telling "them" to make both decks equal in incentive to buy, but, it is always the case that one sells way more than the other, and the constant Red Frenzy sellouts, and the Green Tornado shelf warmers aren't helping either.

I can also look at Noble Victories, and I know that Fast Daze is crap in comparison to Furious Knights because of those, those fish that look like snakes.

Between Voltage Vortex and Explosive Edge, Explosive Edge is the better deck, I think, but Voltage Vortex would sell because of the Zekroms. I used Voltage Vortex to face Explosive Edge, and I can say that Weavile stinks when the other deck doesn't have any tools, while the rares from Explosive Edge are all usable, Reshiram, Persian, Chandelure, and Beartic.

Still waiting for a video of someone actually opening both Raiders and Shadows, and, here's the important part, unraveling the playmat and showing it to the viewers. I just can't wait a few more days, and however the playmat looks like dictates which one of the two I would buy.
 
Darn, that list sucks. I'll get the Raiders and buy the singles of Zoroark...
 
not sure what pokegym had, but this is the list from bulbapedia

shadows theme deck

1× Zoroark
1× Zoroark
4× Zorua
2× Vullaby
1× Empoleon
2× Prinplup
3× Piplup
1× Glaceon
1× Swanna
2× Ducklett
2× Slowbro
3× Slowpoke
1× Palpitoad
2× Tympole
2× Eevee
2× Lillipup
2× Energy Search
2× Full Heal
2× Energy Retrieval
2× Pokémon Communication
2× Cheren
2× Cilan
6× Darkness Energy
12× Water Energy

apart from the empoleon and zoroark, there's nothing really special in there
 
That's exactly the list from Pokegym. I assume someone has simply contributed that list to Bulbapedia (as it appeared there soon after the Pokegym list), so there's still hope it's fake.

As a side-note I came up with when I saw the 3/2 Slowbro line: anyone else wonders what they were thinking with Slowpoke and Slowbro? Slowpoke's first attack isn't THAT bad but it really should've been a one-sided attack (or deal 10 damage), and its second attack just makes me want to hit myself with a mallet to correct my brains as I must be seeing something wrong: that effect could never be right for a 2-energy attack dealing 20 damage. And Slowbro... its attack is good, so that it gets a negative ability sounds logical to me... but WHAT an ability that is! Why not simply "At those prizes, Slowbro's attack costs 2 Colorless more" or something??? And with that humongous retreat cost (which Slowpoke also has, making Slowpoke even more laughable), you can't nicely switch out of it either
 
GamerXYZ said:
That's exactly the list from Pokegym. I assume someone has simply contributed that list to Bulbapedia (as it appeared there soon after the Pokegym list), so there's still hope it's fake.

As a side-note I came up with when I saw the 3/2 Slowbro line: anyone else wonders what they were thinking with Slowpoke and Slowbro? Slowpoke's first attack isn't THAT bad but it really should've been a one-sided attack (or deal 10 damage), and its second attack just makes me want to hit myself with a mallet to correct my brains as I must be seeing something wrong: that effect could never be right for a 2-energy attack dealing 20 damage. And Slowbro... its attack is good, so that it gets a negative ability sounds logical to me... but WHAT an ability that is! Why not simply "At those prizes, Slowbro's attack costs 2 Colorless more" or something??? And with that humongous retreat cost (which Slowpoke also has, making Slowpoke even more laughable), you can't nicely switch out of it either

I seriously don't understand the reasoning behind Slowbro. It is one of the worst Pokemon ever. Pokemon (the company) must have some personal vendetta against it.
 
Unfortunately, a Youtube video just confirmed it's indeed the correct decklist. I already kinda expected it was false hope (as when has a fake list ever been posted?), but with all the reasons mentioned I still just had to cling to the idea it could be wrong :(
 
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