^I don't think they are supposed to get any... Giratina has a 2nd forme because it uses one in our world, and the other on the distortion world "where time does not flow and space is unstable" or something like that...
Pokemon Pokemon Counterparts (CAUTION: lots of pics) - WIP
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Metalizard said:
Giratina looks different when you encounter it inside the Torn world. We never follow Palkia/Dialga into the pink/blue rifts which they appear from, so I thought it would make sense for them to look different in their "worlds" too (whatever the heck they are).
Altho the problem now already with this is that you'd expect them to change form when holding their orbs xDd..
So yeah they were never intended to have formes.
While not parallels otherwise (totally different evolution patterns, stats and moves), Glalie and Vanilluxe are both floating, pure ice pokemon who physically resemble common snack foods of their respective real-world regions; Glalie's design and Japanese name are both jokes on Onigiri.
Also, Hippowdon and Krookodile are both based on normally amphibious vertebrates, but have adapted to "swim" exclusively in sand. Their real-world counterparts even share many of the same habitats, like the Nile river.
Also, Hippowdon and Krookodile are both based on normally amphibious vertebrates, but have adapted to "swim" exclusively in sand. Their real-world counterparts even share many of the same habitats, like the Nile river.
^Garchomp is similar too... Sharks are marine animals but the Garchomp line is supposed to be a land shark. Gible even "swims" underground in the anime...
Okay wow.
First of all, while there are a ton of counterparts in the series (something that I've come to hate about the series), I think some of these are pushing it.
I mean, Cubone and Pawniard? Vulpix and Zoroark? Growlithe and Riolu? They don't really have that much in common.
Also, there's one that (I believe) is missing from this list, which is Wingull/Ducklett, both are Water/Flying seabirds.
First of all, while there are a ton of counterparts in the series (something that I've come to hate about the series), I think some of these are pushing it.
I mean, Cubone and Pawniard? Vulpix and Zoroark? Growlithe and Riolu? They don't really have that much in common.
Also, there's one that (I believe) is missing from this list, which is Wingull/Ducklett, both are Water/Flying seabirds.
Bolt the Cat said:
Did you notice that each group of "counterparts" has a different level of seriousness to it?
Cause both examples are from #4, which is about reused concepts/themes done in a different way or even jsut something as vague as an old pokemon having inspired a new one (it says SPECULATIVE IN CAPS in that groups title for a reason), hence guaranteed to result in links of pokemon that arent comparable in much beyond that.
That group is basically there because eventually someone would point out a relation that doesn't fit any of the other groups distinctions
I already have Psyduck->Ducklett, because I thought they might have looked at Psyduck and how its not that much duck-like...but since its actually more of a platypus anyway, I guess this one is quite poor.
I see where you're coming from, and it actually has a more solid basis than Psyduck. As both Wingull and Ducklett have drastic body-changes upon evolving and both are found in open sea areas. Replacing.
Blob55 said:
I go to zebras on wikipedia, says they're a species of African equids (horse family), I hit equids, it says its the taxonomic family of horses and related animals, so what's the deal?
I just went for the first vague but fitting term that would describe their similarity on a very simplified level. If you have a suggestion thats more appropriate/accurate but obvious enough Id be glad to change it o:
Elemental equidae?
Mitja said:
Fine. Maybe the Water/Grass type Horse creature could be a Donkey.
BTW, what do you mean by "New Common Bird duo"? There isn't even an Original Common Bird duo.
Also, I'd put the Swalot line as the same thing as Muk, as they're both pure Poison Types, neither have any visible legs/feet and they have the same Second Ability.
Another thing... Zigzagoon and Sentret lines aren't Rodents.
Ug and how is the Ralts line not main Psychic?
I'd also put Eevee in Wannabee Extra Starter.
Blob55 said:
replies in bold, the rest is me going on random tangents about stuff xD
-Hehe yeah, or how about an Ice one? ;D (since Electric Fire Ice is an amazingly popular grouping among fans and fakemon artists, even tho it barely ever actually really appeared.. the birds from gen I, and dragon mascots altho those have an actual conceptual basis (energy opposites and absence of it))
-Maybe it makes more sense with like this: new-common-bird duo (the duo is unrelated to them being the new common birds). What I was getting at with this is that their prototypes could very well be the 2-stage birds Spearow and/or Hoothoot. Similar to how Johto used those as the common bird (with main bird being Pidgey) one for daytime, the other for nighttime, Taillow and Wingulls roles are those of common bird on land and on sea.
-should be some connection now that I think about it yes. The question is whether I put it in #2 with Grimer AND Trubbish, or in #4 as inspired from Grimer... I guess the latter as its a more unique concept with it being like a digestive organ rather than hazardous garbage like the other two. I mean they probably did start off with Grimer but tried to make something more interesting with Gulpin, whereas Trubbish is a more direct "remake". Adding as "toxic blob" in #4.
-Ive seen them called rodent everywhere, but guess you're right. Any ideas what to call them? first area normal fellas..? o.o
-Its not JUST about that they are main psychic, I tried to explain earlier already (Ill change the group name to something else like strong psychic or something). Basically, Gothitelle/Reuniclus are much closer to being Alakazam-clones/remakes from a data viewpoint, while Ralts is a 100% unique line in general even (there are barely any similar pokemon to Ralts in how it starts very weak, and upon evolving still stays very weak instead of Kirlia being a regular midway strong middle stage like we see in starters, Kadabra, Lairon etcetc)
-Tough one. I see that it is capable of playing starter roles (it even does in spin-offs), but thats not all I meant. Notice how
-Pikachu and the monkeys all have a consistent type
-they all evolve with just the appropriate elemental stone and cease to learn anything afterwards
-their stats are very alike and tailored for casual playthrough usefulness (high speed and both attacks good)
-they're even all rare desirable forest encounters o_o
Eevee is a very special league of its own. Makes me wonder when we will finally get a new "Eevee", then it would make sense to add an multi-elemental-evolution group or something.
I just thought of something regarding the mascot trios. If you don't want to put them as trios because the third one has some difference/something special, you could put Rayquaza, Giratina and Kyurem in a group called something like "The 3rd member/mascot", as the three are the third member of what was originally a duo and have several differences when compared to their relatives...
Metalizard said:
Already said I am doing that, just haven't gotten around yet : )
I think Ill do it so that close legendary relations are a completely separate group, meaning it will at the same time show duos and every other relation there instead of spread out like regular pokemon right now.
EDIT: I have to make room for more pictures first cause I hit the limit again...
Eevee is also kind of a starter wannabe, it's your rivals in Yellow, yours in Conquest, and in some other titles, I know it's a bit of a stretch.
Many heads:
[animate]doduo[/animate] -> [animate]dodrio[/animate]
[animate]deino[/animate] -> [animate]zweilous[/animate] -> [animate]hydreigon[/animate]
[animate]doduo[/animate] -> [animate]dodrio[/animate]
[animate]deino[/animate] -> [animate]zweilous[/animate] -> [animate]hydreigon[/animate]
You could say Tri heads in general, or it into Three heads on one Pokemon and Three heads separated, but one Pokemon. They're not really combined unlike Doduo and Deino lines. We don't know if something could be combining them underneath, but Pokedex entries say Dugtrio is three Diglet, and Magneton is three Magnemite. They're not fused/combined or already one single force.
Just for accuracy- can you change "Elemental Horses" to "Elemental Equine" and "Mythical Canine" to "Mythical Canids" (foxes are Volpine, not Canine)