I have to wonder if people singing Live’s praises right now have ever experienced any of the other modern tcg clients that have been doing exactly what Live is setting out to do for years - nobody ever defends those, because they know better. Everyone in Pokémon is being happily nickeled and dimed into an admittedly worse product (they are literally telling you all the features that exist currently that will be gone, and it’s a not-insignificant amount) because of a slightly improved coat of paint. I shouldn’t be surprised, but it’s always shocking to see. I am especially disappointed in the content creators and tournament players who are snarkily defending this stuff - they won’t have to grind for anything, no wonder they don’t care about the changes! I have been lulling in and out of this game for the worse part of the last year and a half or so and I think it’s time to just call it quits here. I am happy to be proven wrong, that this client will be wonderful and herald in a new era of digital Pokémon play or whatever, but something tells me I won’t be. Thankfully this world is full of things to enjoy, and I don’t need to keep burdening myself with trying to fit my square peg into this franchise’s round holes all for the sake of brand loyalty or fondness. It’s time to move on.
Pokemon Trading Card Game Live Officially Revealed!
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Lots of people in comment sections: "Man, I really feel for the HGSS energies :'( "
I mean, how will they sell you the "HGSS Energies Bundle" down the line if they don't remove them from your collections now, sillies?
I mean, how will they sell you the "HGSS Energies Bundle" down the line if they don't remove them from your collections now, sillies?
I think they may be a way to exchange for individual cards on a shop, if not there should be, cause like you stated, decks are going to be so hard to build, new players won’t be able to make decent lists.
I am almost exactly this.
Like ICEdaddy, I have played this game since Day 1, since the original in-browser beta, since the time we saw Platinum cards in the database but weren't allowed to get them and then disappeared. I have started by collecting a bunch of HGSS cards when codes didn't even exist and the only ways to get boosters were logging into the game and defeating CPU opponents. Man that was hard, but do you know the satisfaction of finding that one rare card or that one Pokémon you like the most?
I am absurdely disappointed from the choice of not even transporting those cards for collection and museum purposes. There is no reason to do this. Two sets of HGSS don't even come close to the number of cards of one set of SWSH. They'll have dozens of sets in database. Why should be a problem to migrate FIVE smaller ones for just satisfactions of old collectors?
I don't even play Legacy, I had them for collection and they have a sentimental value for me: TCGO is one of the few games I've constantly played for so many years. I can imagine this is even harder for Legacy Players that have spent time to build old, funny, epic decks of the past. This is one of the biggest disrespects I've ever seen from TPCI. This is bigger than any lack of Pokédex, because at least, they didn't bother deleting your old Pokémon from existence. Thing they will with my HGSS online collection: it will simply fade in the dust, disappear, like it has never existed.
I mean what? How is that even the most faraway idea? What kind of attitude is that towards players? The best I can do now (and I have already done that, so desperate) is using the Windows game camera to take a long video of my HGSS collection so I can watch them again? How this thing has the smallest sense? It didn't even COST them to keep it in a museum view-only section. It's a super small bunch of cards. This thing doesn't even have the smallest sense. I repeat.
NOTE: there are also MANY additional feature removals and changements I personally don't like - trading, buyings and cutting away over the limit of 4 cards are on top. But changing is one thing we can talk about in the future and even dislike in the future. DELETING items you collected and sometimes paid for, is another, and does not even require any time.
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Yeah, and of course there are options to run Windows programs on Linux. That said though, you don't have to buy Windows 10. You can still get it for free legitimately if you know how. And ~$20 keys are easy to find too.
If your PC in 2021 can't run Windows 10, you have bigger issues than running a card sim to deal with.
Either way, everyone will have the smartphone option.
While it's easy to see what can go wrong, we should wait until we have full details before posting these massive rants. It largely depends on what they mean by single cards. If it's random, then that obviously sucks. If you can effectively buy singles though, it'll likely end up being a bit of a wash, where the most expensive cards will be cheaper, while the cheapest ones will be more expensive. The benefit on that end though is that you need to open packs for those credits, so you'll get most of those uncommons that way anyway.
Really, it's going to come down to actual pricing. Unfortunately, there are signs that pricing will be 1-1 with physical MSRP though, so we'll have to see what effect this has on the second-hand code market. It's hard to visualize it right now.
Really, it's going to come down to actual pricing. Unfortunately, there are signs that pricing will be 1-1 with physical MSRP though, so we'll have to see what effect this has on the second-hand code market. It's hard to visualize it right now.
ive spent so much time on tcgo and all of my cards are gonna be gone bruh
Did you read the article at all?
Sad they are getting rid of current theme decks. I love all the updates but why mess with things that were perfect before?
If the deck box/sleeve selection screen is any indication you’ll be able to choose the items you’ll want to spend your Credits on, but it still doesn’t say if it’s just for one card or a play set.
Also, while I do agree with waiting for full details before making any rash decisions I also find the amount of info released by TPCi to be sorely lacking at best and outright malicious at worst. I would’ve LOVED to hear that locked cards are eligible for transfer but TPCi leaving that out of the initial drop makes me VERY worried.
You basically hit the mark with that “kids will want it and and their parents have fond memories of the olden days” bit, childrens’ standards have hit an all-time low and nostalgia in general has been a pox on popular culture since the early 2010’s.
And what happens when you try to rage against this machine? People tell you that the game “isn’t for you” or they tell you to “let people enjoy things” like brain-dead parrots.
They have told you that your cards are transferring. They didn't say "well, not your locked ones, tho. Sucks to be you." They said that your cards are transferring. I don't understand where this panic about locked cards is coming from. You're not the first person I've heard it from and it makes me wonder if some clickbait PokéTuber is out there spreading poorly researched "exclusive information" again.
The text below comes right out of the article I wrote, where the article talks about Credits in the highlights bullet points. You can purchase individual cards using Credits.
"It is not possible to trade with other players in PTCGL. Instead, you unlock cards in game and ‘extra’ copies of cards are converted into Credits, one of the game’s three currencies, that can be redeemed for single cards to add to your collection."
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It's beyond panic. It's like frantic de-humanized feral aggression. The amount of craziness in this thread is absolutely astonishing.
It's not just here, it's all over. It's insanity. Arceus forbid anything change and TPCI actually move forward with a new online client. If it's not the same bug-ridden clump of spaghetti code that is PTCGO, it's the devil, apparently.
It is not an updated client that’s the problem, and I would think that much is abundantly clear - it’s everything surrounding it. That everything needs to be like Hearthstone or Arena now, or perish. That we are getting admittedly inferior functionality for some 3D models and a lesser card pool in a game all about cards. If you think that’s all fine and dandy I really don’t know what else to say. I’ve been playing different card games online long enough to see the writing on the wall, here. I don’t care about anything they are adding or “improving”, but I sure do care about a lot of what is being removed. I also care about predatory economies involving battle passes, premium currencies, and crafting systems no one wanted or asked for, and if you did want or ask for it, well, maybe I’m better off gone like I said.
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Thank you for pointing out some of the gigantic elephants in the room, they really need to be seriously addressed rather than brushed over with cautious optimism.
It's just that, nothing more, nothing else. Getting multiple competitive decks in PTCGO was pretty affordable. At least, much more so than irl. Will we be able to say the same about PTCG Live? I'm worried the answer will very probably be a big no.
I highly doubt it as well. When TPCi introduced Gems as a paid TCGO currency (to Canadian players for “testing” purposes) the cost-per-pack mirrored IRL prices and that was largely mocked until they sunsetted the currency (that never left the “testing” phase and stayed in Canada) a while ago.
You're definitely better off gone if you'd rather live in ruins and stare at shiny things over wanting improvements and modernization, so feel free to see yourself out. A new modern platform that can actually be supported instead of band-aided over and over again can allow for implementation of features far and wide. Legions of people have asked for the 'credits' system they are implementing for years and years, so I'm not sure what bubble you've been living in. Any trade locked copy of a card beyond 4 is completely worthless, and has been for 10 years. Game isn't even in beta yet, we don't even know all of the features it'll have at launch, and have no real insight into a release and development schedule at the moment, yet somehow this announcement has unearthed the wrath of the loud minority legacy-andies (of whom I'm positive barely even play legacy to begin with, I've queued up multiple times over the past 24 hours and it's taken ~5 minutes each time to even find a game, and every single one has been fully optimal weavile/eggs or virgencel -- same as it has always been for the last 5+ years). Legacy feels like a generational bingo club, not a format. And the removal of HGSS is regrettable and I'll miss it, but the prospect of bigger and better things in the future should outweigh any potential regret for losing things that are borderline irrelevant to 95+% of anyone that plays the game.
The 'predatory economies' comment is rich too, because we barely have any insight into how that works. It's possible, hell, I'd say extremely likely, that this game will be wholly accessible to an even better degree for someone who is exclusively F2P. Hearthstone is absolutely simple to play F2P, and that seems to be the closest example we can use at the moment. The big exception to this is if they follow the model they attempted to use previously with Gems, which was an absolute joke and its very existence should've caused sackings. If they use a model even close to that one, I'll be the first one out the door. There's examples aplenty of microtransaction systems that work perfectly without feeling overbearing and without feeling predatory, so there's no excuse to not make it good for everyone this time around.
Forgive me for not trusting any corporation with the object of ‘making’ “money” (see: all of them) to care at all about the best interests of their audience beyond how much they can be exploited for quicker, bigger bucks. I am not sure what rock you have been living under where that has ever been the case, but I am envious among other things.
Sure, let's now use the fallacy of "it's not what they're saying, it's how they're saying". It's easy saying we're all "crazed" and "blind with senseless rage" or whatever and not having to address any of the actual points we're making. Yes, we may be furious, and we may even not be making our biggest effort to come off as "reasonable", but that means jacks*** to the actual underlying points. We have serious, legitimate and perfectly solid concerns regarding the news, we can either discuss the points, or you people can create a bubble of the enlightened who won't engage with the angry savages and never have to actually address the issues, I'm fine with that as well.
Also, some of the arguments I'm seeing from the enlighted and pure of heart are just bad and lacking logic. For instance, the "progress", the "moving forward" argument, you people are talking like that is an end in and of itself. It's not. Going forward is only as good as the destination. Anyone knows the issues the current client has, and not a single person has denied them or said the client is perfect. But we cannot throw the baby out with the bathwater. Some of your arguments is basically "the old client had problems, therefore we have to automatically accept any and whatever change comes with the new one", and that is just stupid, sorry for my bluntness, but there's no other way to put it.
Also, some of the arguments I'm seeing from the enlighted and pure of heart are just bad and lacking logic. For instance, the "progress", the "moving forward" argument, you people are talking like that is an end in and of itself. It's not. Going forward is only as good as the destination. Anyone knows the issues the current client has, and not a single person has denied them or said the client is perfect. But we cannot throw the baby out with the bathwater. Some of your arguments is basically "the old client had problems, therefore we have to automatically accept any and whatever change comes with the new one", and that is just stupid, sorry for my bluntness, but there's no other way to put it.
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