Pokemon pokemon types that need to be changed
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First thing you have to understand before going into this topic:
MainType/SecondaryType
Meaning, type order is not random; the first type has a bigger role, the second is the extra type, not its core elemental skill.
The main type is very obvious from the design (most of the time, but there is plenty exceptions), the second is usually really vague or not even implied by anything (especially if it is not something directly related to physial stuff)
Spiritomb and Sabeleye are a prime example:
Spiritomb is Ghost/Dark
Sableye is Dark/Ghost
For some types, the type order can also mean that the pokemon is itself made of it, or just uses it as armor, which is particularly seen for Rock and Steel.
Pokemon with Rock as their second type, tend to be whatever creature, but have armor, or a shell (Magcargo, Shuckle), while primary Rock types are themselves mineral based on a biological level (Geodude, Onix, most fossils)
that said,
The following pokemon:
-Ninetales Fire-->Fire/Psychic
-Mankey/Primeape Fighting-->Normal/Fighting
Its like the only fighting type that is essentially a pissed off animal.
-Psyduck/Golduck Water-->Water/Psychic
-Haunter/Gengar Ghost/Poison-->Ghost/Dark
It learns no Poison move at all, but tons of Dark ones?
It is the freaking mascot of night-time only pokemon since GSC.
Case closed.
-Goldeen/Seaking Water-->Normal
This probably sounds ridiculous to everyone, but if it was the case it would help point out that living in water does not mean it has to be Water type, or just for being a fish etc. (Which would open up a huge can of imagination for other aquatic non-Water pokes.)
-Gyarados Water/Flying-->Water/Dragon
No comment needed.
-Kangaskhan Normal-->Normal/Ground
It would just be a nice touch that points towards a relation to Cubone :B
-Electivire Electric-->Electric/Fighting
Although it would be mean towards Magmortar... which could be fixed by inventing some Poisonous attacks related to smog etc, warranting a Poison type for Magmortar at least perhaps...
-Pinsir Bug-->Bug/Fighting
Essentially learns every Fighting move that Heracross doesn't. They're like bros :E
-Granbull Normal-->Normal/Dark
Look at that mean dog.
-Milotic Water-->Water/Dragon
-Huntail Water-->Water/Dark
-Gorebyss Water-->Water/Psychic
Luxio/Luxray Electric-->Electric/Dark
Gothita/Gothorita/Gothitelle Psychic-->Psychic/Dark
-Beartic Ice-->Ice/Fighting
Less boring?
1.
Apart from the spikes (which could imply a steel skeleton),
I think its more because of the idea of a steel hard fighting body,
besides, it is foremost a Fighting type anyway.
Psychic might be more fitting actually, but it would be way less exotic.
2.
You say yourself that it is not a lizard because it has wings. Wings imply Flying type by all means.
Dragons don't necessarily have wings.
So what. We have 5 lines of Bug/Steel, Water/Ground and Grass/Poison.
Gyarados could be Flying because it resembles those long kites.. although even those related to dragons so yea...
Girafarig - Normal/Dark perhaps. The idea is that only the front half is a normal animal (hence Normal). The other half however is like the incarnation of the Dark type, so Im not sure why they went for Psychic there.
Also, keep in mind that a secondary Ground type is not something thats easily visual and Geodude is still mainly Rock. If Nidoking gets it an extra Ground type for the lulz, then Geodude is fine, besides it can use a big variety of Ground moves (compared to Roggenrola for example). Taking a STAB for EQ away from it would suck too.
Actually it kind of does.
The core concept of the Dark type is unfair attacks, cheap tricks, sneaky tactics, cheating. Its a technique with the advantage of not playing fair (unlike Fighting which uses real techniques and muscle power for example).
The back half is even a nasty surprise feature by concept.
You don't see any resemblance to a particular fighting style??
Yes The Fire/Fighting has been overdone, but that doesn't change what Emboar is.
MainType/SecondaryType
Meaning, type order is not random; the first type has a bigger role, the second is the extra type, not its core elemental skill.
The main type is very obvious from the design (most of the time, but there is plenty exceptions), the second is usually really vague or not even implied by anything (especially if it is not something directly related to physial stuff)
Spiritomb and Sabeleye are a prime example:
Spiritomb is Ghost/Dark
Sableye is Dark/Ghost
For some types, the type order can also mean that the pokemon is itself made of it, or just uses it as armor, which is particularly seen for Rock and Steel.
Pokemon with Rock as their second type, tend to be whatever creature, but have armor, or a shell (Magcargo, Shuckle), while primary Rock types are themselves mineral based on a biological level (Geodude, Onix, most fossils)
that said,
The following pokemon:
-Ninetales Fire-->Fire/Psychic
-Mankey/Primeape Fighting-->Normal/Fighting
Its like the only fighting type that is essentially a pissed off animal.
-Psyduck/Golduck Water-->Water/Psychic
-Haunter/Gengar Ghost/Poison-->Ghost/Dark
It learns no Poison move at all, but tons of Dark ones?
It is the freaking mascot of night-time only pokemon since GSC.
Case closed.
-Goldeen/Seaking Water-->Normal
This probably sounds ridiculous to everyone, but if it was the case it would help point out that living in water does not mean it has to be Water type, or just for being a fish etc. (Which would open up a huge can of imagination for other aquatic non-Water pokes.)
-Gyarados Water/Flying-->Water/Dragon
No comment needed.
-Kangaskhan Normal-->Normal/Ground
It would just be a nice touch that points towards a relation to Cubone :B
-Electivire Electric-->Electric/Fighting
Although it would be mean towards Magmortar... which could be fixed by inventing some Poisonous attacks related to smog etc, warranting a Poison type for Magmortar at least perhaps...
-Pinsir Bug-->Bug/Fighting
Essentially learns every Fighting move that Heracross doesn't. They're like bros :E
-Granbull Normal-->Normal/Dark
Look at that mean dog.
-Milotic Water-->Water/Dragon
-Huntail Water-->Water/Dark
-Gorebyss Water-->Water/Psychic
Luxio/Luxray Electric-->Electric/Dark
Gothita/Gothorita/Gothitelle Psychic-->Psychic/Dark
-Beartic Ice-->Ice/Fighting
Less boring?
aggron said:
1.
Apart from the spikes (which could imply a steel skeleton),
I think its more because of the idea of a steel hard fighting body,
besides, it is foremost a Fighting type anyway.
Psychic might be more fitting actually, but it would be way less exotic.
2.
You say yourself that it is not a lizard because it has wings. Wings imply Flying type by all means.
Dragons don't necessarily have wings.
And Gallade.PsychedelicBreakfast said:
So what. We have 5 lines of Bug/Steel, Water/Ground and Grass/Poison.
PsychedelicBreakfast said:
Gyarados could be Flying because it resembles those long kites.. although even those related to dragons so yea...
Girafarig - Normal/Dark perhaps. The idea is that only the front half is a normal animal (hence Normal). The other half however is like the incarnation of the Dark type, so Im not sure why they went for Psychic there.
Also, keep in mind that a secondary Ground type is not something thats easily visual and Geodude is still mainly Rock. If Nidoking gets it an extra Ground type for the lulz, then Geodude is fine, besides it can use a big variety of Ground moves (compared to Roggenrola for example). Taking a STAB for EQ away from it would suck too.
Metalizard said:
Actually it kind of does.
The core concept of the Dark type is unfair attacks, cheap tricks, sneaky tactics, cheating. Its a technique with the advantage of not playing fair (unlike Fighting which uses real techniques and muscle power for example).
The back half is even a nasty surprise feature by concept.
Behemoth36 said:
You don't see any resemblance to a particular fighting style??
Yes The Fire/Fighting has been overdone, but that doesn't change what Emboar is.
If anything, the Smugs should be Grass/Psychic. They just seem like they think they are more intelligent than their opponent.
Mitja said:
Serperior line: Grass/ Psychic or Dragon
Samurott: Water/ Fighting (at least for Samurott)
Emboar: Fire (or Fire/ Dark)
Lucario is Steel because its name is orichalcum (an ancient mythical metal) in Japanese with the syllables reversed. Riolu is named for it too, but has the Japanese syllables switched around.
Gyrados and Charizard are not Dragon types, probably because when they would be too powerful because the only Gen 1 Dragon type move was Dragon Rage, which does a fixed 40 damage. Dragonite is Dragon because it is weak to Ice and Electric, which neither Gyrados nor Charizard are weak to either. (justifying Dragonite's type)
Also, White Kyurem should be Fire/Ice and Black Kyurem should be Electric/Ice (because Kyurem is Ice/Dragon, making their actual typings boring.)
Samurott: Water/ Fighting (at least for Samurott)
Emboar: Fire (or Fire/ Dark)
Lucario is Steel because its name is orichalcum (an ancient mythical metal) in Japanese with the syllables reversed. Riolu is named for it too, but has the Japanese syllables switched around.
Gyrados and Charizard are not Dragon types, probably because when they would be too powerful because the only Gen 1 Dragon type move was Dragon Rage, which does a fixed 40 damage. Dragonite is Dragon because it is weak to Ice and Electric, which neither Gyrados nor Charizard are weak to either. (justifying Dragonite's type)
Also, White Kyurem should be Fire/Ice and Black Kyurem should be Electric/Ice (because Kyurem is Ice/Dragon, making their actual typings boring.)
Flygon really should be Flying / Dragon instead of Ground / Dragon because it flies around in the air. Flygon flies a lot in the Jirachi movie.
@9Tailz: No, White & Black Kyurem's types are fine. Kyurem is a dragon and still controls Ice. Kyurem needs Reshiram or Zekrom's power, it can't generate fire or electric energy by itself...
@King Arceus: There are so many Pokémon that could be Flying-type and yet, they aren't. Flying is a secondary type. As such it is only given to a pokémon if it doesn't already have 2 more important types that relate to it. Most of those pokémon are Bug Types (Beedrill, Dustox, Venomoth, Volcarona) or Dragons like Flygon, Hydreigon, Lati@s, Reshiram and Zekrom (as I said in my previous post). Some (Flygon, Hydreigon, Lati@s) can remedy this with Levitate. Since Pokémon can't have triple types (and probably shouldn't anyway), there will always be these weird cases.
@King Arceus: There are so many Pokémon that could be Flying-type and yet, they aren't. Flying is a secondary type. As such it is only given to a pokémon if it doesn't already have 2 more important types that relate to it. Most of those pokémon are Bug Types (Beedrill, Dustox, Venomoth, Volcarona) or Dragons like Flygon, Hydreigon, Lati@s, Reshiram and Zekrom (as I said in my previous post). Some (Flygon, Hydreigon, Lati@s) can remedy this with Levitate. Since Pokémon can't have triple types (and probably shouldn't anyway), there will always be these weird cases.
Well, one way would be to give Dragon a resistance to Ground (although that would be totally uncalled for balance-wise....) similar to Bug. All those bugs that aren't actually Flying, would inherently resist Ground, but unfortunately most of these secondary types that leave no room for Flying, happen to be weak to Ground (Poison, Steel).
My point about Charizard was that having wings does not imply Dragon type.
Resembeling a dragon does. But he just pointed out the wings as evidence, which is nonsense as that argument is the same if not in favor of a Flying type.
I didnt even mention the Dark attacks on Girafarig, but that the idea of a freaky back half is something you would expect from Dark types. It's sneaky. The moveset screams Psychic though and its interesting as it is.
Kingdra: "Why would that be a bad thing?"
My point about Charizard was that having wings does not imply Dragon type.
Resembeling a dragon does. But he just pointed out the wings as evidence, which is nonsense as that argument is the same if not in favor of a Flying type.
I didnt even mention the Dark attacks on Girafarig, but that the idea of a freaky back half is something you would expect from Dark types. It's sneaky. The moveset screams Psychic though and its interesting as it is.
cf11 said:
Kingdra: "Why would that be a bad thing?"
Mitja said:
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Well, what I wanted to say about the normal-type combinations...
People should understand that the normal-type is not supposed to be paired with anything else 'just cause'. Normal is a type that is supposed to be neutral. It's a type that doesn't need to be paired with much else. If we look at every pokémon that is part normal and part something-else-other-than-Flying, all of them have something that justifies them having a secondary type (Also, note that no pokémon has Normal as a second type, only as the primary):
Girafarig -> Part Psychic because of its back, mainly the tail. Like I said, it doesn't really matter if the tail implies Psychic or Dark-type, it's that tail that gives the secondary type.
Bibarel -> Part Water. My guess is when Bidoof evolves, it becomes more aquatic or adapted to live in water, but the main type remains. That could be the same reason of why Azurill is Normal and not Water. Since Marill was created before and was already pure Water, they wouldn't chande it to Normal/Water. Togepi, for example, is pure Normal but when evolves, becomes Normal-Flying because it gains wings.
Deerling & Sawsbuck - Part Grass. This case in simple. They have permanent vegetation (flowers, leaves) on their bodies that changes along with their fur during the seasons. Yet, not enough to make them pure Grass.
Meloetta - Part Psychic or Fighting. This is the most complicated case. One possibility is that they wanted it to maintain one type when changing between formes. Like an anchor or a neutral type for both formes to share. However, when Castform changes formes, it doesn't need that. I'm not sure if the fact that Meloetta also changes stats affects anything, but I doubt it. Still, Meloetta only has 2 formes while Castform has 4...
My point with all this talk is that unless the pokémon has some sort of special feature connected to another type, there's no reason to make it a dual Normal/something -type. It's either pure Normal or pure the-other-type.
I love that Lucario is steel type. It makes him really unique from other fighting types. I don't think there are even any other fighting/steel types.
And there's lots of pokemon that resemble dragons but aren't Dragon types. Aerodactyl, Gyarados, and even Seadra is called the "Dragon Species".
And there's lots of pokemon that resemble dragons but aren't Dragon types. Aerodactyl, Gyarados, and even Seadra is called the "Dragon Species".
^Cobalion (only the types are reversed)
cf11 said:
Actually, in Gen. 1, the developers wanted to make it look obvious that Dragon-types are rare and sacred; the only Pokemon to get that type was the Dratini line and there is evidence of it being tacked on at the last minute.
They didnt know what they're doing. Maybe the games wouldnt have even sold.
I wonder,
what would players (particularly Pokémon veterans) opionion be on some sort of renewal or refreshing of the first generation?
Redoing the first gen in the spirit of the now pretty solid standards of the franchise.
I would guess, data changes like adjusting some stats to be less crap, and adding/changing some types as this thread contemplates, it wouldn't a bad thing right?
But what about actual redesigns of some pokemon? (For example if they would improve Poliwrath to be more unique and interesting, or made bigger distinctions between Muk and Grimer or Ponyta and Rapidash) would that go too far and ruin everyones childhood or something?
Personally I'd love it.
I wonder,
what would players (particularly Pokémon veterans) opionion be on some sort of renewal or refreshing of the first generation?
Redoing the first gen in the spirit of the now pretty solid standards of the franchise.
I would guess, data changes like adjusting some stats to be less crap, and adding/changing some types as this thread contemplates, it wouldn't a bad thing right?
But what about actual redesigns of some pokemon? (For example if they would improve Poliwrath to be more unique and interesting, or made bigger distinctions between Muk and Grimer or Ponyta and Rapidash) would that go too far and ruin everyones childhood or something?
Personally I'd love it.
Data changes would be nice but the desings, I think it would be weird for most people... although they changed Jynx because of the racism controversy...
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Azuril. Y U NO WATER TYPE??
