XY Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokémon would be changed?
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Triple type possibilities
No thanks.
No thanks.
RE: Triple type possibilities
LOL at the use of the word "possibilities", because the possibility of it happening is pretty much nonexistent. Triple types would make things way too complicated, as you would have to put in a lot more thought about type effectiveness. Plus, certain types would be more drastically overpowered or underpowered. For instance, what if you have a Dragon/Grass/Flying type? He'd be absolutely screwed by Ice type moves. Dual types are bad enough in this regard, adding a third type would exaggerate the problem.
LOL at the use of the word "possibilities", because the possibility of it happening is pretty much nonexistent. Triple types would make things way too complicated, as you would have to put in a lot more thought about type effectiveness. Plus, certain types would be more drastically overpowered or underpowered. For instance, what if you have a Dragon/Grass/Flying type? He'd be absolutely screwed by Ice type moves. Dual types are bad enough in this regard, adding a third type would exaggerate the problem.
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
No. If a Pokemon has two types with aspects of a third, then the third unused type for it is generally covered by Abilities and it's Movesets. (some great examples are levitate pokemon, e.g. lati@s, flygon)
Plus every Genwunner would cause a rampage if it turned out to happen and Charizard wasn't changed.
No. If a Pokemon has two types with aspects of a third, then the third unused type for it is generally covered by Abilities and it's Movesets. (some great examples are levitate pokemon, e.g. lati@s, flygon)
Plus every Genwunner would cause a rampage if it turned out to happen and Charizard wasn't changed.
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
Yeah its pretty crazy if there would be a x6 damage in that case scenario, maybe they could make only being x4 effectiveness only... but dunno... Indeed it would be a mind blowing thing to have so many new possibilities.
Yeah its pretty crazy if there would be a x6 damage in that case scenario, maybe they could make only being x4 effectiveness only... but dunno... Indeed it would be a mind blowing thing to have so many new possibilities.
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
I think it would make sense, specially for some pokémon (like Flygon, that you mentioned), but being three times week to a type is absolutely devastating, and would be a bad thing for battles...
I think it would make sense, specially for some pokémon (like Flygon, that you mentioned), but being three times week to a type is absolutely devastating, and would be a bad thing for battles...
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
x6? No, no, no. Type advantages multiply, not add. So by that logic, it'd be x8. The only way they could even come close to getting away with that is if they nerf double weaknesses as well. What you suggested makes triple weaknesses pointless, because there's no added bonus for having a type that is super effective against all three of its types.
IDK if "mind blowing" is quite the way I'd describe it, more like "confusing and unnecessary".
Rodrigus said:
x6? No, no, no. Type advantages multiply, not add. So by that logic, it'd be x8. The only way they could even come close to getting away with that is if they nerf double weaknesses as well. What you suggested makes triple weaknesses pointless, because there's no added bonus for having a type that is super effective against all three of its types.
Rodrigus said:
IDK if "mind blowing" is quite the way I'd describe it, more like "confusing and unnecessary".
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
There is no way they would add a third type to Pokemon. As mentioned the amount of damage a Pokemon takes from attacks can be very high. The entire damage formula would have to be redone since a lot more Pokemon would gain new weaknesses.
There is no way they would add a third type to Pokemon. As mentioned the amount of damage a Pokemon takes from attacks can be very high. The entire damage formula would have to be redone since a lot more Pokemon would gain new weaknesses.
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
If they did it, theyd obviously adjust the mechanic so it does not result in "crazy" anymore.
You cant assume they would do something as big as adding triple types and at the same time assume the formulas would stay the same.
If they did it, theyd obviously adjust the mechanic so it does not result in "crazy" anymore.
You cant assume they would do something as big as adding triple types and at the same time assume the formulas would stay the same.
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
It would make it unbalanced to some Pokemon. A x6/x8 or any weakness that big, will be crazy. They would have to adjust it. It would screw a lot of Pokemon if it would happen.
Flygon would get Bug before Flying. It would screw Flygon as it would take its resistance to stealth rock. The extra Ice weakness wouldn't make it much as it is already KO'ed by (almost) all Ice-type moves (doesn't need STAB). The only moves that it could use that would get STAB would be Air Slash or U-Turn. The Fighting resistance would be nice.
Other Pokemon can be Lugia water and the Kyurem forms get Fire/Electric. Gyarados and Charizard getting Dragon of course, maybe Gjost to the Rotom forms, Drapion Bug.
It would make it unbalanced to some Pokemon. A x6/x8 or any weakness that big, will be crazy. They would have to adjust it. It would screw a lot of Pokemon if it would happen.
Flygon would get Bug before Flying. It would screw Flygon as it would take its resistance to stealth rock. The extra Ice weakness wouldn't make it much as it is already KO'ed by (almost) all Ice-type moves (doesn't need STAB). The only moves that it could use that would get STAB would be Air Slash or U-Turn. The Fighting resistance would be nice.
Other Pokemon can be Lugia water and the Kyurem forms get Fire/Electric. Gyarados and Charizard getting Dragon of course, maybe Gjost to the Rotom forms, Drapion Bug.
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
Calculating that would be a pain. If they added triple types they would need to change it so that every resistance and weakness is *0.5/*2, regardless of double or triple weakness/resistance.
Would give more combos and not really break the game.
Not gonna happen.
Calculating that would be a pain. If they added triple types they would need to change it so that every resistance and weakness is *0.5/*2, regardless of double or triple weakness/resistance.
Would give more combos and not really break the game.
Not gonna happen.
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
Exactly, if they were ever going to do it then Gen3 would have been the best time to introduce them, considering we got all the mechanic changes.
Exactly, if they were ever going to do it then Gen3 would have been the best time to introduce them, considering we got all the mechanic changes.
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
Well I'm not sure about the never... although I'm quite agree that I'd be almost a game breaker.
But yeah, maybe with some nerfing it would be possible... lets maybe think of this:
Single super effective - x2
Double super effective - x3,5
Triple super effective - x4,5
In that way it wouldn't be soooo crazy... and you know that many types combinations might be very cool, I mean, besides the cons there are also a lot of pros, and as it would be 3x weak vs some type/s it would be 3x strong vs other/s.
Well I'm not sure about the never... although I'm quite agree that I'd be almost a game breaker.
But yeah, maybe with some nerfing it would be possible... lets maybe think of this:
Single super effective - x2
Double super effective - x3,5
Triple super effective - x4,5
In that way it wouldn't be soooo crazy... and you know that many types combinations might be very cool, I mean, besides the cons there are also a lot of pros, and as it would be 3x weak vs some type/s it would be 3x strong vs other/s.
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
This wouldn't be all that weird, actually. The stat boosting system almost works like this as it is. For attack boosts, +2 is double damage, +4 is triple damage, and +6 is quadruple damage. It would make type match-ups far more complicated though, but some dual types that don't get a third type could rise in usage. Ground/Rock, for example, might start seeing usage in the UU competitive tier when water only does triple damage instead of quadruple, though I'm not crossing my fingers. I don't expect this to be implemented, nor do I particularly want it, but I do see a possibility for this to remain balanced should it be implemented.Rodrigus said:
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
Id wish they did this in general, without introducing triple types or any other weird stuff.
type combos that get common quad weaknesses, it usually turns out to be the most crippling thing for such pokemon.
Multiplication is too drastic.
iSharingan said:
Id wish they did this in general, without introducing triple types or any other weird stuff.
type combos that get common quad weaknesses, it usually turns out to be the most crippling thing for such pokemon.
Multiplication is too drastic.
RE: Possibility for Triple-Types? What existing Pokemon would be changed?
Eh, multiplication rather than set bonuses is still the way to go, I think, since it's a lot more intuitive. But if they were gonna go for this, they could just reduce the multipliers to, say, 1.5 for super-effectiveness (and maybe 1.25 or 1.3 for STAB). That would make double weakness 2.25x damage, and a potential triple weakness would be 3.375. It would even the field drastically, for sure, but it would also make the math more complicated - whether that's a good thing or not is debatable.
(Not that I think triple types are something the game needs, though. If we want to see a little more variety, there are probably better ways to go about it. Perhaps dual-typed moves instead?)
Eh, multiplication rather than set bonuses is still the way to go, I think, since it's a lot more intuitive. But if they were gonna go for this, they could just reduce the multipliers to, say, 1.5 for super-effectiveness (and maybe 1.25 or 1.3 for STAB). That would make double weakness 2.25x damage, and a potential triple weakness would be 3.375. It would even the field drastically, for sure, but it would also make the math more complicated - whether that's a good thing or not is debatable.
(Not that I think triple types are something the game needs, though. If we want to see a little more variety, there are probably better ways to go about it. Perhaps dual-typed moves instead?)