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Post-a-Deck part 22: Kyogre/Groudon LEGEND & Feraligatr Prime (Masters, Cities)

Mitsuki3

Mitsuki3

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Does anybody have last minute ideas for this deck for cities which is in 5 days?

Pokemon: 19
4-2-3-1 Machamp Lv. X (SF-SF-SF-SF): massive damage
2-1-2 Feraligatr Prime (HS-HS-HS): Pokepower to attatch energy for Lanturn Prime and KGLs attacks
1 Kyogre/Groudon LEGEND: more massive damage
1-1 Lanturn Prime (UL-UL): underwater dive makes it eligible to benefit from Rain Dance to fuel up for Powerful Spark
1 Uxie (LA): draw power

Energy: 23 (should probably take some out)
8 {F}
7 {W}
3 Upper
2 Call
2 Rainbow
1 {L}

T/S/S: 18
4 Bebe's
4 Candy
4 PETM
3 Energy Switch
2 Expert Belt
1 Copycat

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE REPLY!!!!!! I NEED HELP!!!!
 
Ehm, you should focus on either Machamp OR KGL/Feraligatr...

Anyways, wheres your Pokémon Collectors and Pokémon Communication????
 
If I were you I wouldn't even bother using Massive Eruption. That just burns your own deck and for what? It only needs 2 cards with that high of a damage potential to KO the active, and it mills 5? You're better off getting, not only multiple potential KOs on your opponent's bench, but bumping off 5 cards of their deck each time you Tidal Wave. Reduce the Fighting Energy count.

Never run Upper. Always run DCE. No exceptions.

Cyrus' Conspiracy is good to search for Energy cards; you should probably run a few. 2 Collectors is also a good thing to have. Just keep in mind, you can only search for the Legend Pokemon with Bebe's or Communication, so you won't need to run 4 Elm's either.

4 Candy and no BTS? Rectify that.

I'm not sure how much more I can suggest at this point (except why on earth are you running Energy Switch?), but when you make alterations I can suggest more. By the way, there are 20 Pokemon in your decklist currently, not 19. Your counting is off.
 
Okay, this deck needs serious help. That's what we're here for. :D

First off, why the Machamp Lv.X line? The deck is KGL/Feraligatr Prime. I could see it as a tech, but not as a full attacker. I suggest you run a 1-1-1 line, for SP (which gives this deck hell) And only 1-1 KGL? That's this deck's main attacker. Boost it up to 2-2. And, I don't see the point of Lanturn Prime. Take it out. This deck needs 2 more Uxie's, 1 Azelf, and 3 Dialga (Reverse Time [to set up a K.O.'ed KGL])
Next, on to your T/S/S line. Four Rare Candies? That's crazy. Bring it down to three. Instead, add some Broken Time-Space and some Indigo Plateau. Add some Pokemon Communication. However, don't take out any Bebe's Search, because a starter like Sableye would benefit this deck. Next, take out the four Professor Elm's Training Method for some Pokemon Collector. This helps a lot. Take out Expert Belt (You aren't hitting the active [or shouldn't be]) and the Energy Switch (NOT. NEEDED.) for some Legend Box (for a quick set-up). And switch Copycat for PONT for a better hand refresh. Also, add some Cyrus's Conspiracy, like DNA said.
Now, onto your Energies. Eight Fighting?!? Not needed. Bring it down to two for your Machamp tech. Seven Water Energies is decent. Run Double Colorless Energy over Upper Energy. Always. And run four. Take out the Call. Just do. They're not needed. The two Rainbow and one Lightning aren't needed, either.
Now, I know that was confusing. But, here's the list I suggest:

Pokemon~24
2-2 KGL
2-2-2 Feraligatr Prime
3 Uxie
1 Azelf
3 Dialga (Reverse Time)
4 Sableye
1-1-1 Machamp

T/S/S~22
4 Bebe's Search
3 Broken Time-Space
3 Interviewers Questions
3 Legend Box
3 Pokemon Collector
2 Indigo Plateau
2 Pokemon Communication
2 Professor Oak's New Theory

Energies~14
2 Fighting Energy
8 Water Energy
4 Double Colorless Energy

In conclusion, this should make the deck much more consistent and focused.
EDIT: snorlax71, I think Interviewers over Cyrus's is better, just because the player can get more than one energy, instead of a fixed one.
 
If there's a trainer lock, should interviewers be put in? That way, fergy can still attach energy to kgl?
 
i dont have HS triumphant cards. Also, i will only use mega eruption onec every 5 turns with KGL. Till then, Mega Tidal wave is my key attack. I will use 1 BTS, originally wasnt going to 'cuz the last time i used it, my opponent made me regret it cuz he had turtwig as active and grotle and torterra in hand. oh, and decmaster, which Sableye are you talking about?
 
@Mitsuki: Sableye SF. No other Sableye is worth playing ;)

If you're going to run a Stadium, run at least 2 in a deck. Stadiums are standardly unsearchable except via a few rarely-used cards (Honchkrow G and certain Beldum), so if you run 2, you increase your odds. Running 1 would be nearly pointless; if your opponent plays down some other Stadium, what then? (By the way, you only drop a BTS if you're actually going to end up using it in that turn, because of the Torterra situation you brought up.)

All in all...I think Decmaster has given you a good, solid decklist. The only Triumphant card in that list is Indigo Plateau, which is actually not that hard to get, but if you can't, you could run Cyrus' Conspiracy in place of them.
EDIT: snorlax71, I think Interviewers over Cyrus's is better, just because the player can get more than one energy, instead of a fixed one.
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I find that Cyrus' Conspiracy is better, personally, because unless you run more than 15 energies in a deck, you stand the chance of never getting more than 2 with a single Interviewer's. In fact, pretty much every time I used Interviewer's in a deck with about 15 energy, it would give me either 1 or 0.

HOWEVER, and this is only an option, you can run a 1-1 Bronzong SF to search for basic energies instead of those 2 Indigos. Return 1 card from your hand to the deck, and yank 2 basic energies of your choice, once every turn. This might involve running Warp Point due to Bronzong's hefty retreat cost (3!), but Warp Point is a good card anyway, so it's your call.
 
@DNA: I will also use galactic HQ. Though it cant be combined with BTS, i could use it for any tough stage 2's. In fact, i may have more than 1 GHQ. I know i have SF Sableye but not sure how many, however if i go first, my opponent could candy his pokemon and put me in for the pounding of a lifetime.
 
bump. I changed my deck. Kept the Machamp X cuz of need for more pokemon.

Pokemon: 19
1 Kyogre/Groudon LEGEND
4-2-3-1 Machamp X (SF-SF-SF-SF)
2-1-2 Feraligatr Prime (HS-HS-HS)
1 Uxie (LA)
2 Sableye (SF) (great supporter attack)

T/S/S: 23
4 Bebe's
4 Candy
3 Pokemon contest hall (gets pokemon out of my deck)
2 Flower Shop Lady (Gets Pokemon and energy out of my discards)
2 Cyrus' Initiative (can take cards out of opponents hand and put em on bottom of deck)
2 Switch (Free retreat)
1 Fisherman (gets energy out of discards)
1 Aaron's Collection (Same as fisherman)
1 Copycat
1 Energy Restore (Same as fisherman)
1 Warp point (Same as Switch, but opponent switches too)

Energy: 18
5 {F}
7 {W}
3 Upper (Had no choice, don't have any DCE)
2 Call energy (keeps Flower shop lady company)
1 Warp Energy (Same as switch)

PLZ help! cities is in 4 days!
 
The call is not needed at all. The machamp line could be lower. No copycat. Go all out with KGL. Take out 1-2 Contest Hall and replace them with BTS. Take out switch and add Warp point. No Cyrus's Initiative instead try Cyrus's conspiracy. Add 1-1 Bronzong SF. So:
2 KGL
2-1-2-1 Machamp SF
2-1-2 Gator Prime HS
1-1 Bronzong SF
2 Uxie
1 Azelf
2 Sableye
Total 22

4 Bebe's
3 Candy
2 BTS
2 Cyrus's Conspiracy
3 Warp Point
2 Energy Returner
1 Fisherman
3 Pokemon Communication
2 FSL
Total:22

4 Fighting
8 Water
4 DCE
 
Pokemon: 19
1 Kyogre/Groudon LEGEND
4-2-3-1 Machamp X (SF-SF-SF-SF)
2-1-2 Feraligatr Prime (HS-HS-HS)
1 Uxie (LA)
2 Sableye (SF) (great supporter attack)
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This is still 20 Pokemon, not 19. You keep forgetting that KGL is TWO CARDS.

Contest Hall is going to be useless, as all it could search for is Machop or Totodile.

Either you're going to run this deck as a Machamp with a KGL side line, or as KGL with a Machamp side line, and right now, it's looking like the former. If that's even the case you might not even need Gater Prime.

Dark Sonic, I know I may seem like an idiot, but what card is "FSL"? ...wait, Flower Shop Lady nvm
 
@Dark Sonic: I told u i dont have DCE! i also only have 1 KGL set.

@DNA u mean machop not machamp.
 
Yes, that was a typo. Even so...are you planning to make this as a Machamp deck with a KGL sideline, or a KGL deck with a Machamp sideline? So far it's looking like the former, but if that is not your wish...
 
The Machamp line at most, should be a 1-1-1 line. The lvX does more harm than good, which is why Champ prime has replaced it in Machamp deck builds. You don't need more pokemon to fill the space just more T/S/S. With your limited access to cards and current build in mind you would probably be better off playing a Machamp based deck. Maybe Machamp/Umbreon UD? Umbreon helps mainly against VileGar, plus Umbreon itself is an easy card to obtain.
 
@X_Empoleon_X if i make my machamp line 1-1-1, it only gives me 6 basics, therefore it could take me really long to draw one and my opponent could have, like, 10 cards in his hand assuming he had one basic the whole time.
 
Which is why people play a good number of Pokemon collector and Pokemon Communication as well as Bebe's search to ensure that you can either draw into a pokemon or draw into a card to search one out.
 
Well with a pokemon line like

1/1 KGL
1-1-1 Machamp SF
3-2-2/1 Gatr prime/HGSS Gatr
4 Sableye SF
2 Uxie
1 Unown Q

That's 11 basics to start with. Just increased your Sableye count as well as increased the Gatr line to give you a secondary attacker.
 
New last desperate idea!

Pokemon: 18
1 KGL
2-1-2 Feraligatr Prime
2-1-2-1 Machamp X
2 Uxie (LA)
3 Sableye (SF)

T/S/S: 26
4 Bebe's
3 Candy
3 Contest Hall
3 Switch
2 Good Rod
2 Pokemon Rescue
2 Cheerleader's Cheer
2 Flower shop lady
1 BTS
1 Fisherman
1 Aaron's Collection
1 Warp Point
1 Energy Restore

Energy: 16
4 {F}
7 {W}
3 Upper
1 Call
1 Warp

PLZ REPLY! CITIES IS TOMORROW!!!!
 
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