Potential End to Reshiram's Dominance?

[Jace]

I was thinking, and realized that with Kyurem EX coming out (yes, I know we haven't seen the card), and going off Reshiram, Zekrom, and even Mewtwo EX's attacks, there's a good chance that we'll be seeing a Kyurem with a [w][w][c] attack that does 120 and discards energy. Obviously, this is pure speculation, but whether this is the case or not, we're going to have a seriously powerful water pokemon to compete with Reshiram.

If it does have that attack, pairing it with Feraligatr Prime and whatever else could be scary. (Water version of Reshiboar, much?)

What do you guys think? Will Kyurem EX even be good? Do you think it's likely that Reshiram's dominance will decrease? I've loved the deck, and stood by it since I thought it up (obviously, it already existed ), but I think it could take a serious hit with a strong Kyurem EX.

 

[Dork Void]

Well, that is quite a bit of speculation. And you should remember, while all Mewtwo, Zekrom, and Reshiram cards so far (in B/W anyway) have had that 3 energy attack that does 120, the Kyurem has a 3 energy attack that spreads instead, so its possible Kyurem EX will just be another spreader, therefore Reshiram won't die.

 

[SMP]

No matter what happens we won't be seeing that card until March or so, so Reshiram will still be a powerful card until then.

 

[Glace]

Well, that is quite a bit of speculation. And you should remember, while all Mewtwo, Zekrom, and Reshiram cards so far (in B/W anyway) have had that 3 energy attack that does 120, the Kyurem has a 3 energy attack that spreads instead, so its possible Kyurem EX will just be another spreader, therefore Reshiram won't die.

I agree.


And even if this does happen, the EXs will start in next years first set, with only Zekrom and Reshiram released early. (iirc, correct me if I'm wrong)

I think your thinking to far ahead. The EX will mostly like be a spreader, just like Kyruem. If not, there are always techs.

 

[blaZofgold]

I never really thought that Reshiram was that good in the first place. Sure, it's a strong card, but I see it flailing in the face of Zekrom. Personally, I find Blastzel better than Reshiram if you run a good line

 

[Jace]

Well, that is quite a bit of speculation. And you should remember, while all Mewtwo, Zekrom, and Reshiram cards so far (in B/W anyway) have had that 3 energy attack that does 120, the Kyurem has a 3 energy attack that spreads instead, so its possible Kyurem EX will just be another spreader, therefore Reshiram won't die.

I didn't even know there was as Kyurem card already. I guess I need to go look in detail at the japanese sets!

I guess that makes sense. Nonetheless, I still think a Feraligatr engine could make that seriously good (even for spreading).

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I agree.


And even if this does happen, the EXs will start in next years first set, with only Zekrom and Reshiram released early. (iirc, correct me if I'm wrong)

I think your thinking to far ahead. The EX will mostly like be a spreader, just like Kyruem. If not, there are always techs.

What make you think we'll get Resh and Zek if they haven't even been released in Japan yet?

 

[GyaradosPrime]

It makes sense thay kyurem will just have a more potent spread attack, but if so what would be the purpose of printing the watered down version?

 

[Serperior]

Don't forget that Kyurem EX will have the two-Prize card penalty, meaning that Reshiarm, with such a huge attack, will find it rather easy to KO three of these. If it's a spreader, then Reshiram will be able to abuse Outrage.

 

[Jace]

Don't forget that Kyurem EX will have the two-Prize card penalty, meaning that Reshiarm, with such a huge attack, will find it rather easy to KO three of these. If it's a spreader, then Reshiram will be able to abuse Outrage.

Yeah, I guess my original theory that it wasn't a spreader would have made it a lot better. I don't know, we'll have to see when the card is released. I just think it's very interesting to speculate!

 

[Glace]

What make you think we'll get Resh and Zek if they haven't even been released in Japan yet?

This does:

Calender​

Snivy, Tepig, and Oshawott ‘BW Starter Figure Boxes’	September	Snivy, Tepig, and Oshawott ‘BW Starter Figure Boxes’
Reshiram Box	October	‘Emerging Powers’ Collector’s Album Box + Reshiram and Zekrom Boxes
Zekrom Box	October	‘Emerging Powers’ Collector’s Album Box + Reshiram and Zekrom Boxes
fall 2011 tins	October
Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set	November 18, 2011	First Official EX Pokemon Ad, Thundurus vs. Tornadus Gift Set

 

[Jace]

This does:

How do we know that those aren't referring to reprints of the current Resh/Zek that we have? IIrc, they are reprinting a fourth version of the cards with the pack art...

 

[adamisclassy]

Reshiram/Emboar is a dead deck. However, I don't think Typhlosion Resihram is dead. Typhlosion's 2 retreat cost and bulky 140 hp prevent it from being instantly KO'd in a speed deck format and it can after burner energy back onto itself to retreat. Additionally switch can be played. While I think that Reshiram won't have the same dominating performance it did at worlds, where it was in at least half the decks played, I do think Reshiram has staying power after catcher and will hold the status of the heaviest hitting deck in the format.

 

[Vulpix Yolk]

All wate

r type ultra rares are powerful.

No, but this thread is so much speculation I can't even handle it. We have no idea if the text on Kyurem is good, just because they are printing a Water type doesn't mean the end of the current BDIF. Also we might not even be getting the set it is in until like May, and as far as we know, Reshiram variants could have already lost the edge on the Meta, after the release of a different card, or something else could be the deck to beat. I will assume however, that Kyurem will have a ridiculously high amount of HP, like all of the other EX's to be released, and could probably give Reshiram variant issues.

 

[Jace]

Reshiram/Emboar is a dead deck. However, I don't think Typhlosion Resihram is dead. Typhlosion's 2 retreat cost and bulky 140 hp prevent it from being instantly KO'd in a speed deck format and it can after burner energy back onto itself to retreat. Additionally switch can be played. While I think that Reshiram won't have the same dominating performance it did at worlds, where it was in at least half the decks played, I do think Reshiram has staying power after catcher and will hold the status of the heaviest hitting deck in the format.

So, because of one card, the world championship deck is dead? Sure, it'll take a hit, but there are options...

Alright, this gets me excited. Awesome to know that a deck I made a long time ago is still going to be prevalent

 

[Project696]

I really hate when people start thinking far into the future like this. We're not get Ex's in the states until around february. So before this even happens we must go through Autumn Battle Roads and Cities. and if the rumors are currently true, Autumn Regionals as well (its official NorCal has their regionals scheduled for November, and word is SoCal has regionals for April). So everyone really needs to quit bugging out about whats 2-3 sets ahead and focus on the the current format and how they'll compete at BR's.

Also Boar is far from dead. One new set is released and it has the most hyped trainer card of all time somehow kills the world winning deck? I don't buy it. Let people think what they want to think, its reasons like this you always see the same players tournament after tournament sitting at the top tables.

 

[Jace]

All wate

r type ultra rares are powerful.

No, but this thread is so much speculation I can't even handle it. We have no idea if the text on Kyurem is good, just because they are printing a Water type doesn't mean the end of the current BDIF. Also we might not even be getting the set it is in until like May, and as far as we know, Reshiram variants could have already lost the edge on the Meta, after the release of a different card, or something else could be the deck to beat. I will assume however, that Kyurem will have a ridiculously high amount of HP, like all of the other EX's to be released, and could probably give Reshiram variant issues.

Please don't get the wrong idea. I play Typhlosion/Reshiram and love the deck. I was just interested in what the community had to say about how long they think it'll last. It's really awesome to know that people think it'll last for a long time! That's all

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I really hate when people start thinking far into the future like this. We're not get Ex's in the states until around February. So before this even happens we must go through Autumn Battle Roads and Cities. and if the rumors are currently true, Autumn Regionals as well (its official NorCal has their regionals scheduled for November, and word is SoCal has regionals for April). So everyone really needs to quit bugging out about whats 2-3 sets ahead and focus on the the current format and how they'll compete at BR's.

Also Boar is far from dead. One new set is released and it has the most hyped trainer card of all time somehow kills the world winning deck? I don't buy it. Let people think what they want to think, its reasons like this you always see the same players tournament after tournament sitting at the top tables.

Please read what I said above. My intent is not to upset you...

And I totally agree about Emboar. I wish it were dead, as it's a tough matchup for my deck, but nonetheless, I think it'll still be good.

 

[dmaster]

Wait for the scan to come out. _Then_ you can post a thread about it here and see whether people have the same opinion about it. Right now, there is nothing at all to base things off of.

*Locked*

dmaster out.