For Blastoise, you can just throw in Mewtwo for a counter attack. DCE + Muscle band will take care of Blastoise with four energy. It will also do a lot of damage to Delphox when it is forced to attack. For me, the real question is how will other decks adapt to Pyroar? Blastoise and Emboar variants have answers (Blastoise and Delphox respectively). There's also Garbodor for big basic decks (though Goodra could be a problem). Genesect has G-Booster, but that's just one card that will be prized one time out of ten. Plasma will struggle the worst. They'll either have to throw in something like Flareon (heat tackle + two Deoxys) or rely on lasers to widdle away Pyroar's HP. Pyroar is not going to be unstoppable, but it should be enough of a threat to make people think.
Pyroar Ideas and Possibilities
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Maybe... I don't foresee a struggle, as much as an irritant, albeit temporary too (unless a player would run a 4-4 Pyroar line?? I would not think so since those decks would have an autoloss against multiple top decks). I run a PlasmaBox deck and have several options (one of which is a Shredding Giratina EX) available to deal with this future nuisance.pokedan24 said:
TuxedoBlack said:
Plasma players are beginning to plan on working in a Froslass PLB line. With a Muscle Band and 1 Deoxys in play it OHKOs Pyroar, and does 10 to the entire bench, AND stops them playing special energy (if they do so play it).
Latias EX is perfect answer for dealing with Pyroar if you want to stick with Basic/EX Pokemon in your deck. Latias is immune to pokemon with abilities, and its attack ignores abilities. Throw a muscle band onto Latias and you can OHKO a Sigilyph with Safeguard.
Definitely. Plus, the Eeveelutions (PF) provide some other good options too.socery said:
I'm going to play lissandre in my Magnezone / Lugia deck. Hopefully being able to skyla for a lissandre or get a lissandre off the juniper will give me an advantage. I hate missing on a game winning catcher.Camoclone said:I doubt many people will play Lissandre and if they do they won't play more than 2.Takezo_Kensei said:Lysandre says hi.
pokedan24 said:
Yeah pyroar would slow down my tornadus deck for sure. The only stage 1 I play is electrode but itsnot for attacking...well not until now. Hah. Pyroar isnt as bad as being locked down by dragonite with a silver mirror. I put a scarmory ex in just to put a stop to that trap. Now i'll have to replace my psychic energy for rainbow energy just incase pyroar catches me on a slow hand.
Another couple of thoughts:
Mega Kangaskhan EX. This could be a way to still run big basics without being vulnerable to Pyroar. Both it and it's basic have the high HP and colorless attack costs that make it splashable in any deck. I'm actually thinking of testing this in my Xerneas Fairy deck when it comes out (I might post a rough draft deck list when I get the chance).
Second thought, Pyroar/Sigilyph/Latias/Silver Mirror deck. I already tried the deck without Pyroar and it seemed to be missing something. Perhaps Pyroar is the missing link that the deck needs to be good.
Mega Kangaskhan EX. This could be a way to still run big basics without being vulnerable to Pyroar. Both it and it's basic have the high HP and colorless attack costs that make it splashable in any deck. I'm actually thinking of testing this in my Xerneas Fairy deck when it comes out (I might post a rough draft deck list when I get the chance).
Second thought, Pyroar/Sigilyph/Latias/Silver Mirror deck. I already tried the deck without Pyroar and it seemed to be missing something. Perhaps Pyroar is the missing link that the deck needs to be good.
What do you guys think about running a 2-2 line of golurk? Devolution punch + muscle band means OHKO to most of the stage 1-2 pokemon.
I don't think VirGen decks should have too much of a problem with pyroar. If it really gets popular. VirGen can tech a 2-2 line of Abomasnow from PLB. For 2 energy and a muscle band it can OHKO a Pyroar, and for 3 energy with muscle band it can OHKO safeguard pokemon, any other fire types that threaten the deck, aside from M Chariard. Though a silver bangle will allow you to even OHKO that. It also can act as a non ex attacker that confuses when hits and can force retreats/switches when you are in a bind. Abomasnow just overall reduces the reliance of G-Booster for VirGen decks. Though the space it takes up and the energy it requires may not allow it to be completely practical.
On the flipside, how are people dealing with Pyroar/Archaeops? That deck is pretty sick nasty. I feel Hypnolasers are a response, only other response I can think of is Garbodor (though the deck runs a lot of scrappers I noticed), but otherwise at a loss... I faced it with my Lucario deck (0 EX's) and Evosodas were a great response, but I wasn't able to get Milotic into play to keep my Lucarios powered and punching...
Keep in mind that some Basic Pokemon have attacks that ignore Pyroar's Ability, such as Rayquaza DRV and Giratina EX with Shread, and Cobalion EX with Steel Bullet.
My issue with those kind of responses (Cobalion especially) is that Pyroar one shots him as well. Rayquaza may be an answer, but he won't be in format too much longer... then again, Archaeops won't be either I believe (would have to verify his set, I'm still learning haha).
All you really need to do is catcher out Archeops and knock it out. After that the deck has at least 2 turns to get out some evolutions to take out pyroar.
This is basically the method you need to beat the entire deck I have found.Ivy_Profen said:
If you are running EXs, then it's painful that you come off worse in the Prize trade, but I am yet to lose against Pyroar and I have been running VirGen for testing for Nationals.
VirGen has the advantage of being able to pick and chose it's battles in a more reliable fashion - With Red Signal and Lysandre in the deck that is. G-Booster is a god send and my Stage 1 testing has seen Abomasnow playing very well. Aim to have one down and basically set up on your second turn and Pyroar is never really an issue. The trade off is of course you aren't setting up Genesect as quickly, but in the Pyroar match up, Genesect is a bit of a support Pokémon rather than the main attacker...
I'll probably team him up with Aerodactyl .
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