Discussion quad-Glaceon EX deck for 2018 rotation???

Knight_of_Ni

Knight_of_Ni

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I got this crazy idea. The next format will obviously have a ton of evolution-based decks (gardevoir-GX, metagross-GX, greninja, golisopod-GX, etc.) and I was thinking a glaceon-EX based deck might be a decent consideration. Additionally, you hit for weakness on volcanion-EX, making that a favorable matchup. Cards like aqua patch allow you to accelerate quickly and a T1 crystal ray should be easy to get off.

This deck would likely have problems with darkrai variations, and Guzma is also an obvious way for your opponent to get around crystal ray.

A few techs I've considered are hammers, jolteon-EX, tauros-GX, ninja boy, lapras-GX/manaphy-EX, puzzle of time(replacement for VS seeker), alolan ninetales(non-GX), and acerola.

Anyone have ideas? Could this work? Any good tech ideas for this?
Thank you in advance!
 
I think glaceon-EX could handle a couple leles. If lele is this decks biggest problem, I feel that it can be very good.
 
Its not great by any means. Tapu Lele can indeed hit it for more than enough damage to 2 hit KO. Metagross can also utilize Beldum with a Choice Band to deal 100, which 2 shots you. Guzma can also EASILY get past the effect. The deck may sound good written down, but it doesn't live up to what you'd think it would.
 
See the problem with this deck is that you can't even say it's niche enough to have 100 or 0 matchups. If anything it's maybe a 70-0, but only if it is literally your best matchup. (If you don't know what that means, 100-0 refers to the deck being a direct and overberring counter to another deck or certain decks so that you win almost every time. But if you're versing something that you don't directly counter you almost always lose. Thus 100-0 because it wins to a few decks, but fails to most others. To sound less confusing, you basically either have really great matchups, or really trash ones, but rarely ever a 50-50 type match where it could go either player's way.)

100-0 decks usually are made because they counter some of the popular meta so in turn they see some success. But in your case, even though your goal is to counter the meta, it's too easy to find counters, even in your favorable evolution matchups. Don't get me wrong, it may see some success but realistically it's just not solid enough to really work on a consistent basis.
 
JDA said:
Im going to be honest and say that Glaceon GX to me is completely outplayed by Alolan Ninetales GX.

1. Eevee and Alolan Vulpix are not too different from each other. Granted Eevee is faster, the Glaceon GX can't really do anything with just 1 Water Energy.
2. Glaceon GX gives Water energy which is great but otherwise to me has poor attacks, poor GX attack and a mediocre HP. By comparison Alolan Ninetales GX doesn't search, has much better attacks, great GX attack, better HP and retreat.
3. Alolan Ninetales GX actually works really well with DCE. This is a plus that can't ever be ignored if DCE is in the format.

So I don't want to get you off the idea but I feel that Alolan Ninetales GX is just so much better.
By large because Alolan's Vulpix Beacon allows you to attack for 0 energy, allows you to find the whole Greninja BREAK line/Ninetales GX line (or bench) and allows you to use the first Vulpix as a wall so perhaps you can even do this attack twice so you know your set up is complete.

Cheers,
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Thank you for the input. To my knowledge there is no Glaceon GX, only EX (for clarification reasons). I found a video depicting a deck similar to what I am thinking about, except the deck in the video is for the current format (not the 2018 rotation) and focuses more on A-Ninetales GX.
Could a deck similar to this be adapted for next rotation? In addition, both A-Ninetale GX and Glaceon EX can comfortably utilize DCE. You could run a 4-2 line A-Ninetales GX and 3 Glaceon-EX. Finally, you could add in the new non-GX alolan ninetales to counter things like darkrai variations and tapu bulu/vikavolt. Thank you to everyone for the help and advice!
 
Sorry misread the whole title! Have altered the above post! In regards to Glaxeon EX!

I think there is a lot of stuff to consider with them and indeed Alolan Ninetales, both normal and GX. In my eyes it could lead to a very promising start of a control deck. With some serious counters for Evolutions (Sylveon EX), GX and EX (Alolan Ninetales). What I am uncertain about however if it has the pushing power required to claim KO's quickly. However what is certain is that the deck is a hardcounter to Volcanion based strategies, which are bound to be part of the top competitive metagame.

So for a Pokemon line I'd probably go for something akin to what you've suggested.
- 4 Alolan Vulpix
- 3 Alolan Ninetales GX
- 1 or 2 Alolan Ninetales
- 3 Sylveon EX
- 2 Tapu Lele
- 1 Manapy EX (for teching so you can be sure you have the right Pokemon vs the right oppossing Pokemon)

Sorry for the confusion!
 
Maybe you could use a Deck based on regular A-Ninetales, Ability Lock Garbodor and Glaceon. Possible additions are Rainbow Energy, then Trashalance Garb and Jolteon. As attacker maybe Drampa or Tauros.

Strategy: If the opponent plays a GX-heavy Deck (Metagross, Gardevoir) set up Ninetales early. If you cannot get Ninetales, try Garbodor because decks like Metag or Garde are less powerfull without their abilities. Another option would be attacking with Glaceon. Late game you can get KOs with Trash Garb.
VS Non-GX decks: KO them with Drampa, lock them with Jolteon.
 
Guzma makes both Jolteon and Glaceon lock MUCH weaker. I wouldn't run any deck that depends on either of them.
 
Any deck running Pokemon Ranger will negate the effects of Crystal Ray. However, players won't be able to use VS Seeker to grab Pokemon Ranger again, so it might be somewhat viable.
 
Kietharr said:
Guzma makes both Jolteon and Glaceon lock MUCH weaker. I wouldn't run any deck that depends on either of them.
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Right on. Tapu Lele exists, Volcanion exists, Necrozma-GX exists, Tapu Bulu-GX exists, there are just way too many good Basics that will still be running around. Granted, you can still laugh at other Evolution decks, but you can't cover the entire meta with one card, especially when Guzma and Escape Rope are still in format too.
 
Have you ever considered running a Glaceon EX/Jolteon EX deck. Both require 2 colorless, so DCE works perfectly. You could go 4-4 Water and Lighting Energy or 5-5 if you prefer that. You could even throw in a Manaphy EX to switch in different situations. You would have to put a Water Energy on Jolteon EX though to make that work. I think this deck could work well if you know how to play it.
 
You may still want to use the Manaphy EX, so Glaceon EX can retreat into Jolteon EX. Thankfully though you don't need to put a water energy on Jolteon EX.
 
I already play a Jolteon/Glaceon Deck. The Pokemon I use are 2 Jolties, 4 Glaceon, 2 Manaphy and 2 Hoopa EX and a 2-2 Ability Lock Garbodor Line. With 4 DCE and 4 Max Elixir I can often set up first turn. Only bad matchup is annoying Sylveon GX
 
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