Question about the Metagame...

[Porygon-X]

We mustn't forget Piplup donk Kingdra! IMO, that's also a big deck to beat.

 

[Ka$h Money]

Yes I'm calling it bad, despite it doing well at nationals, and I will continue to call it bad.

Kingdra is stage 2.

Gyarados is stage 1, and has better recovery.

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Have you played against a well piloted jumpluff before???? there damage output is amazing and so is the recovery every tech you place on the field is an attack boost to them, it wrecks donphan by stalling with leaf guard until its planted enough damage for a mass attack knock out.

And kingdra is saying 60 for 1 which in no case is bad plus a free crobat each turn plus semi-immortal with the right partner, and only has 1 definate auto-loss which isn't played anymore (at least not by the majority ).

I've played with, and against jumpluff. The deck beats Luxchomp, but loses to just about everything else good.

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So your calling something bad when it is proven good. You cant even justify that >.>

So what if Kingdra is stage 2? All you need to do is candy attach energy and you have a charged Kingdra, it isnt so quick with Gyarados. If it is happening the other way round, you need to question your Kingdra build. Also it is arguable about recovery. You can set up multiple kingdra on the bench whilst with Gyarados, it isnt so simple but it has good recovery nonetheless.

Kingdra is good all round and its only weakness is Luxchomp O_O

According to you, the top 4 player must have faced all luxchomps for him to have got 4th place?

 

[Cinema]

Yes I'm calling it bad, despite it doing well at nationals, and I will continue to call it bad.

Kingdra is stage 2.

Gyarados is stage 1, and has better recovery.

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Have you played against a well piloted jumpluff before???? there damage output is amazing and so is the recovery every tech you place on the field is an attack boost to them, it wrecks donphan by stalling with leaf guard until its planted enough damage for a mass attack knock out.

And kingdra is saying 60 for 1 which in no case is bad plus a free crobat each turn plus semi-immortal with the right partner, and only has 1 definate auto-loss which isn't played anymore (at least not by the majority ).

I've played with, and against jumpluff. The deck beats Luxchomp, but loses to just about everything else good.

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Kingdra IS NOT BAD. It requires little to no set up, compared to gyarados. they have to get 3 magicarps in the discard. All I have to do is horsea energy candy kingdra. its not very hard at all. Your acting like rare candy and BTS dont exist! Sure it wont be as good without claydol, but gyarados isnt as good without felicities.

 

[gamerCNSK]

The thing is... It's FAST, you don't play Gastly or Haunter, just gengar Prime, mew him into the lost world and use his first attack to send all their good pokemon to the lost world, it works.

Thats so ridiculous. I am going to hate playing against that deck.

 

[Soul]

It really doesn't. Thats the problem. Your only option is keeping pokemon out of your hand and hope they don't have a backup plan. Dialga G mutes mew, but they can still use a regular gengar.

Dialga G pwnd Lost World related decks.

 

[Rubyiris]

I've played with, and against jumpluff. The deck beats Luxchomp, but loses to just about everything else good.

Kingdra IS NOT BAD. It requires little to no set up, compared to gyarados. they have to get 3 magicarps in the discard. All I have to do is horsea energy candy kingdra. its not very hard at all. Your acting like rare candy and BTS don't exist! Sure it wont be as good without claydol, but gyarados isnt as good without felicities.
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Of course Rare Candy and BTS exist. If they didn't I wouldn't have my lovely nearly 2 pages of foil candies, some of which are still up for grabs if you and dmaster are still interested.

But I'm just not convinced on Kingdra. Maybe I'm looking at the deck in too shallow of a perspective, but it's fairly hard to look at the deck in perspective when 1. I haven't played the deck, and 2. the damage output is lower then that of Luxchomp, and Jumpluff, both of which are either a basics deck, or just set up faster.

It sounds like you're trying to play the deck similar how you would play empozong during 08 before LA came out and obsoleted the deck, only you're doing on average 10 more damage for 2 less ebergy.

 

[AmishEskimoNinja]

Dialga G pwnd Lost World related decks.

Until they lost zone your DGX

 

[Soul]

Dialga G should be enough to outstall mewprimelostworlddecks for a lifetime.

 

[Vulpix Yolk]

From what I have heard the Japanese Metagame is Gengar Prime, Gengar Prime with Absol or palkia techs and thing that can counter gengar prime.

 

[gengar the baller]

Kingdra IS NOT BAD. It requires little to no set up, compared to gyarados. they have to get 3 magicarps in the discard. All I have to do is horsea energy candy kingdra. its not very hard at all. Your acting like rare candy and BTS don't exist! Sure it wont be as good without claydol, but gyarados isnt as good without felicities.

Of course Rare Candy and BTS exist. If they didn't I wouldn't have my lovely nearly 2 pages of foil candies, some of which are still up for grabs if you and dmaster are still interested.

But I'm just not convinced on Kingdra. Maybe I'm looking at the deck in too shallow of a perspective, but it's fairly hard to look at the deck in perspective when 1. I haven't played the deck, and 2. the damage output is lower then that of Luxchomp, and Jumpluff, both of which are either a basics deck, or just set up faster.

It sounds like you're trying to play the deck similar how you would play empozong during 08 before LA came out and obsoleted the deck, only you're doing on average 10 more damage for 2 less ebergy.
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See the light, Kingdra is not a bad deck, and it happens to do pretty well vs Jumpluff, and depending on the techs it holds its own vs Luxchomp. How is 80 to the active 20 to the bench + Spray Splash not enough damage.

 

[varit]

maybe jumpluff with luxray i'll take that but straight jumpluff as #1 is laughable at best.

as for the japanese metagame, we run support deck's they really don't, it's as simple as that, the japanese run by a different methodology of deck construction then we do, so to understand there meta it's a point of view. cya

 

[Lou Cypher]

it's not. It would make things liek Worlds totally unbalanced and unfair.

Japanese DO play with 30 card decks + 4 prizes.

Worlds is so USA-stacked its not funny anymore.

 

[Ka$h Money]

^ That is what I heard and for that reason many people have been questioning how powerful Gengar prime etc will be in our metagame since we have a longer time to set up the auto win stadium without losing beforehand.