Raticate AR donk deck idea

Depends on which Lucario you're talking about. It probably needs to do about 50/60 damage for one Energy. I didn't think there was one that did that but ok.

dmaster out.
 
the wone with bulk up, form i believe undanted, pluse belt makes 50 then nex turn 80 with bulk up one energy
 
that would at least be 3 turns. one turn to put riolu. then put lucario use bulk up. then use the attack for 8. by then they have gengar and you lose. somthing like donphan where turn 2 do 80 with a belt or just 60 for one energy is a good donker
 
well there is his second attack for 70 second turn and if you have you'r oppenent donking and kill your first pokemon you cold use black belt
 
Nope, too slow, doesn't work. It would need to do 70 for one Energy (or 50 without a Belt) to even be considered a donking Pokemon.

dmaster out.
 
@ Scissorlicious: Good call on the E-Belt. I invoke stupidity sometimes....:p I do, however, disagree with a 2-2 line. Yes, you only need 1 out, but you need a 4-4 line to guarentee you get it out on T1, since that's what you need to do if it's a true donk deck. You want a T1 Raticate/Belt/Donk.
 
i suggest black belt do extra 40 if its donkl on donk pretty much and 120 so that kills most basics to stage 1 pokemon
 
Umm, you need more prizes than your opponent, so that doesn't really make sense, if you are trying a donk. Pluspower and Crobat G's are great(sorry if already mentioned).
 
You can guarantee it with 3-3, and basically always with 2-2. 4-4 leaves unwanted cards in your hand so you can't Set Up for 6 or 7, which isn't good. You could run 3-2, too, I suppose, but I wouldn't run more than that for fear of clogging up the deck and my hand.
 
You can only really guarantee it with 3-3 if you go second. This way, you could dual PokeDrawer or whatever to get what you need. IMO, maximizing your main attacker's line is a given anyways.
 
If you go first, you can't get anything out T1, no matter how large of a line you're running. And maximizing the main attacker is not a goal for a Stage 1 donk deck. You want it to not take up much space. More than you need clogs your hand up.
 
it doesnt matter if you clog up your hand if you have your main attacker out there. as long as you have everything set up T1 then it doesnt matter whats in your hand. so if you need to run 4-4 then you are just making sure that its ready T1.
 
^No; You may not get all your Crobat Gs/PokéTurns/SSUs/PlusPowers/Uxie/Seekers if you have 2 Raticate and 2 Rattata in your hand and can only Set Up for 2 or 3. You won't be able to get all your donking materials if you can't Set Up for 5-7 cards every time. 10 damage makes a huge difference.
 
^ Right. You can't get anything out if you go first. That's the whole point of the 4-4 line. If you do go first, you maximize your chances of starting with Raticate already in your hand, thus eliminating the waste of cards trying to get it set up T2 or later. If you can't set up Raticate T1, Raticate Donk starts to REALLY suck, as do most donk decks that can't donk T1, again why you need 4-4.
@Bpalmer357: If you don't want to run 4-4, definitely don't go below 3-3 because your consistency will really suffer. I ran this deck so I know how it works....you really need a T1 Raticate, ESPECIALLY because it's only got 90 HP with the belt.
 
^No, sir. Not my point. YOU CANNOT GET A RATICATE OUT IF YOU GO FIRST NO MATTER WHAT. And besides, you WANT to waste cards, so you can Set Up for more. You will be able to set it up T1 if you go second, regardless of if you're running 2-2 or 4-4. The exception is the rare case where both Raticate/Rattata are prized, in which case you may be able to attack with Uxie still. Running 2-2 will still let you set it up T1; you just have a very slightly higher chance of having all your Rattata or all your Raticate prized, and you have more room for hand reduction and can Set Up for more.
 
ahhh scizor you snuck up on me rofl.

i ment T2 in my post

if you only run 2-2 your chances of having a rattata and raticate in your opening hand is...well pretty bad. 4-4 ensures that you have it every time. and really it wouldnt clog it up that much. when i run 4 of somthing the most i get in an opening hand is 2 and that is rare. so having 2 rattata and raticate then you get 2 raticates out T2 or with BTS T1.
 
@Scissorlicious: I never said you could get Raticate set up if you go first. I said you want to maximize your chances of getting Raticate set up T1. You can still get Raticate set up on T1 without going first..... Not going to argue the 2-2/4-4 point anymore. It's not worth it. Plus, Spiritomb sorta kills this deck completely anyways. It's why I stopped running it.
 
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