Regigigas X deck.. need help on Trainers..

[HorseCrab]

I have no idea about the metagame at all (I didn't even know what Unlimited meant until 10 minutes ago) and I don't have many cards. In my local group of friends this deck has a 100% win rate.. no other deck gets even close to taking it out. Not saying this is a good deck by any means, its trashed by anything with a fighting type. If everything works out I can get a fully powered 190 HP gigas firing away by turn 2 while the opponents can't even evolve. This deck was at one time usable in standard but that was years ago. Now I only use it in league tournaments and casual play.

Pokemon!
2x Regigigas X
2x Regigigas
3x Delibird
1x Jirachi
1x Aerodactyl
3x Unown ?
1x Regice
2x Sableye (searching for more)
1x Azelf
1x Uxie
1x Snover
1x Abomasnow

Trainers
2x Snowpoint Temple
4x Roseanne's Research
2x Switch
3x Bebe's Search
2x Felicity's Drawing
2x Holon Mentor
4x Mysterious Fossil
3x Clefairy Doll
2x Expert Belt
2x Castaway (Searching for more)
2x Fossil Excavator
1x Scott

Energy
3x Steel Energy
3x Water Energy
3x Fighting Energy
3x Multi Energy


Anyhow, the idea of the deck is to just get Regigigas out and start killing. Unown ? is a great thing to search for with Holon Mentor once I have Regigigas and it can play mind games with the various color Pokemon I have. There are better draw engines I'm sure but Unown ? is one of my favorite parts of playing this deck so I'd like to keep it if I can. Its also a nice starter as even when not on my bench it can help rapidly cycle through my deck in a pinch. Aerodactyl is really cool because if I can get it out early many decks immediately crumble unless they have an extremely strong basic which can kill Regigigas. Jirachi / Delibird are just some spare card searchers that can pull up a gigas X in a pinch.

The Trainers are pretty much random. Switch helps remove effects besides status like "Bite On" from a Mightyena my friend ALWAYS uses. I think it also lets me use Giga Blaster consecutively, but I'm not sure. Mary's Request is pretty good even though its effectively the same as the newish card Cheren. Holon Mentor is able to search for any Pokemon in the deck besides gigas X, letting be fill my bench with Unowns, get a basic gigas or put a bunch of different Pokes in my hand to feed Unown or Sacrifice. The rest of the drawing cards are basically random.. I need help structuring them. Snowpoint Temple and Expert Belt give Regigigas a needed boost in health and power. Snowpoint Temple has worked against me though so I'm open to other options. Clefairy Doll / Mysterious Fossil can be fed to Regigigas for the HP restoration but do not give my opponent a prize.

Call Energy collects some Unown "?" and doubles as a "retreat" energy for my active Pokemon when Regigigas needs to come in. Its not bad, but theres probably something better out there. Multi-Energy is awesome, it all but guarantees I'll have all three colors I need for Gigas.


Anyhow as you can probably see my Trainers are a mess. I need structure! Felicity's Drawing is the only trainer that sort of works with the deck since its discard power lets me get out a turn 2 Regigigas.

 

[DNA]

HAVE NO FEAR, DNA IS HERE

I actually played Regigigas for a long time...18 months actually (or so), starting at the release date of Rising Rivals and finally ending with the HS-on rotation in July. There are actually many MANY different ways to play it, but it's hard to find the right way. (My variant actually combined Regigigas with parts of the famous SP-Engine, and it worked beautifully.)

If you're playing Unlimited, Clefairy Doll isn't actually a bad idea at all (due to Sacrifice bait). I didn't have the advantage of that in the tourney legal format, but you can definitely abuse it. (It isn't easily searchable, however.) I wouldn't do Mysterious Fossil, though; when Mysterious Fossil is KO'd, your opponent takes a Prize card (as per the newest printing).

Regardless, you MUST have an answer to any Fighting-type Pokemon. It usually will be either a Water-type or Psychic-type (depending on the Weakness of your target); the most common choice used was actually Abomasnow (SF).

If you can get a hold of a Regigigas (Promo DP40), do it. Drag Off is just way too good to pass up.

Honestly, you don't need 5 of each Basic Energy. 3 is the max, and 2 is acceptable.

Here are some cards that work magnificently with the deck:

~Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf from Legends Awakened - drop them, use the powers, then Sacrifice them later
~Claydol from Great Encounters - Seriously, eternal draw power
~Jirachi from Rising Rivals - Best starter for the deck; it lets you copy a Supporter.
~Regice from Legends Awakened - Discard 2 cards from your hand (use basic energy for the cost) and potentially force a switch, then use Sacrifice to yank the Energy and ready Giga Blaster as early as Turn 2. Registeel (LA) is a lesser alternative.
~Junk Arm from HGSS Triumphant - Same as Regice, but lets you recycle a trainer.
~Pokemon Collector from HGSS1 - Search your deck for up to 3 Basic Pokemon (a better version of Holon Mentor). It's an alternative to Roseanne's. I see you're only running 1 Roseanne's - don't. Running 3 is optimal.
~Cyrus' Conspiracy from Platinum - Searches for 1 basic Energy, 1 Supporter, and 1 TGI. If you are not running the SP-Engine, Castaway is used instead.
~PlusPower (in several sets) - Are you 10 HP short of a knockout? Not anymore. (If you're using the SP-Engine, Crobat G can be used in addition to this.)
~Galactic HQ from Platinum - Alternative method to Snowpoint Temple; instead it penalizes your opponents for evolving. This can work if you're facing down a deck that's using a lot of Basics and you can't net the KO as easily. (It's usually best to run 2 of each Stadium in this case.) If you're running Aerodactyl, though, that may not be necessary. (By the way, look up Fossil Excavator. It can search for the Fossil or that Aerodactyl.)
~Double Colorless Energy and Rainbow Energy (from HGSS1). DCE may seem odd, but it lets you attack faster without the need for a Sacrifice. That may necessitate running Rainbow instead of Multi. Sure you take 10 damage, but Sacrifice is healing 80 a pop for you anyway.
~Eviolite from Noble Victories - This card just came out, actually. You can run this instead of Expert Belt on Gigas; you trade power for defense. It's an option you may wish to try.

Toy with things and see what works best for you.

 

[HorseCrab]

HAVE NO FEAR, DNA IS HERE

I actually played Regigigas for a long time...18 months actually (or so), starting at the release date of Rising Rivals and finally ending with the HS-on rotation in July. There are actually many MANY different ways to play it, but it's hard to find the right way. (My variant actually combined Regigigas with parts of the famous SP-Engine, and it worked beautifully.)

I'm only very casually in the game but I heard a lot about how strong SP Pokemon were.. why was that?

If you're playing Unlimited, Clefairy Doll isn't actually a bad idea at all (due to Sacrifice bait). I didn't have the advantage of that in the tourney legal format, but you can definitely abuse it. (It isn't easily searchable, however.) I wouldn't do Mysterious Fossil, though; when Mysterious Fossil is KO'd, your opponent takes a Prize card (as per the newest printing).

Actually I think (hope) you're wrong here. Mysterious Fossil was errata'd to have 50 HP but unlike the other fossils it kept its no-prize ability. At least as far as I can find, maybe there was a more recent printing I am not aware of.

Regardless, you MUST have an answer to any Fighting-type Pokemon. It usually will be either a Water-type or Psychic-type (depending on the Weakness of your target); the most common choice used was actually Abomasnow (SF).

Well that works out, I actually have two Abomasnow SF. I was thinking about putting it in the deck but I'm not sure where to fit it. I guess I can ram a 1-1 line in there somewhere.

If you can get a hold of a Regigigas (Promo DP40), do it. Drag Off is just way too good to pass up.

I think I have one somewhere, or at least I know I can get it. My only problem is despite the far superior attacks it lacks the status restoring ability which is a lot of why Regigigas does so well in casual. I'd hate to get locked out of Sacrifice because some random thing Confused me.

Honestly, you don't need 5 of each Basic Energy. 3 is the max, and 2 is acceptable.

Yeah, I can try to cut down. I have some spare Roseanne's Research that can compensate.

Here are some cards that work magnificently with the deck:

~Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf from Legends Awakened - drop them, use the powers, then Sacrifice them later

Uxie and Azelf I think I'll try to add, maybe not Mesprit. I don't have enough "bounce" cards to re-use Mesprit.

~Claydol from Great Encounters - Seriously, eternal draw power

Possible, I need to find some though.

~Jirachi from Rising Rivals - Best starter for the deck; it lets you copy a Supporter.

I just recently realized this card existed. It sounds great, much better than my current Jirachi. There's also that SF Sableye that has a similar power as Jirachi, but makes sure I go first. There's also Cleffa.

~Regice from Legends Awakened - Discard 2 cards from your hand (use basic energy for the cost) and potentially force a switch, then use Sacrifice to yank the Energy and ready Giga Blaster as early as Turn 2. Registeel (LA) is a lesser alternative.

That's a really good idea. Having a support artillery could come in handy and I guess worst case scenario I can slap an Expert Belt on it and try to exterminate a random Donphan.

~Junk Arm from HGSS Triumphant - Same as Regice, but lets you recycle a trainer.

I'll try it if I can find one. I know these things are incredibly popular but the noobiness in me can't see what the big deal is.

~Pokemon Collector from HGSS1 - Search your deck for up to 3 Basic Pokemon (a better version of Holon Mentor). It's an alternative to Roseanne's. I see you're only running 1 Roseanne's - don't. Running 3 is optimal.

Yeah, I didn't know Pokemon Collector existed until just now. Sounds good if I can find one. Regigigas X doesn't count as a basic right..? I can drop some energies for more Roseanne's.

~Cyrus' Conspiracy from Platinum - Searches for 1 basic Energy, 1 Supporter, and 1 TGI. If you are not running the SP-Engine, Castaway is used instead.

I'm not using anything SP but Castaway looks like a fantastic way to set up a quick Regigigas.

~PlusPower (in several sets) - Are you 10 HP short of a knockout? Not anymore. (If you're using the SP-Engine, Crobat G can be used in addition to this.)

Nah, now that I added Expert Belt Regigigas damage has been much more consistent.

~Galactic HQ from Platinum - Alternative method to Snowpoint Temple; instead it penalizes your opponents for evolving. This can work if you're facing down a deck that's using a lot of Basics and you can't net the KO as easily. (It's usually best to run 2 of each Stadium in this case.) If you're running Aerodactyl, though, that may not be necessary. (By the way, look up Fossil Excavator. It can search for the Fossil or that Aerodactyl.)

As cool as that is I think its easier to just get Aerodactyl down early. Fossil Excavator however is a GREAT idea, since the cards it searches are useful at any point in the game.

~Double Colorless Energy and Rainbow Energy (from HGSS1). DCE may seem odd, but it lets you attack faster without the need for a Sacrifice. That may necessitate running Rainbow instead of Multi. Sure you take 10 damage, but Sacrifice is healing 80 a pop for you anyway.

I'm not so sure about these. Double Colorless seems like its uses would be limited.. I'll try Rainbow Energy though. I'm sure I have some..

~Eviolite from Noble Victories - This card just came out, actually. You can run this instead of Expert Belt on Gigas; you trade power for defense. It's an option you may wish to try.

I think I'll remove an Expert Belt and try an Eviolite. I'll Castaway up whichever one seems more useful. Its hard to say, Eviolite makes Sacrifice more efficient but Expert Belt helps get needed KOs.

Toy with things and see what works best for you.

Thank you, you've been a big help!

 

[DNA]

I'm only very casually in the game but I heard a lot about how strong SP Pokemon were.. why was that?

Primarily because they could get set up quickly and had several different angles of attack. They also had cards such as Energy Gain (a Tool that gave -{C} to attack cost), SP Radar (a non-Supporter Bebe's Search), Poke Turn (Super Scoop Up with no flip), and most daunting of all, Power Spray (have at least 3 SPs in play to stop a Poke-Power dead).

Actually I think (hope) you're wrong here. Mysterious Fossil was errata'd to have 50 HP but unlike the other fossils it kept its no-prize ability. At least as far as I can find, maybe there was a more recent printing I am not aware of.

Oh whoops, my mistake. I knew about the 50 HP but forgot whether or not you took a prize on it. Apparently you don't.

I think I have one somewhere, or at least I know I can get it. My only problem is despite the far superior attacks it lacks the status restoring ability which is a lot of why Regigigas does so well in casual. I'd hate to get locked out of Sacrifice because some random thing Confused me.

That's true; I suppose in casual the regular one is better. Drag Off worked great for the format it was in (MD-on), but it can work well elsewhere too - with a Belt, any Basic with 50 or less HP is done for.

Uxie and Azelf I think I'll try to add, maybe not Mesprit. I don't have enough "bounce" cards to re-use Mesprit.

I run zero bounce cards in my Gigas build and it works just fine. (SSU and Seeker will make Mesprit even better, really.) This is because a crucial Mesprit drop early on in the game could basically screw your opponent over. You can get set up with no trouble, whereas your opponent gets locked out of Uxie/Claydol for 1 or even 2 turns. You can dump it with Sacrifice anyway so you need not worry about bench space either.

I'll try it if I can find one. I know these things are incredibly popular but the noobiness in me can't see what the big deal is.

It's more overbearing now since you can re-use cards like Pokemon Catcher, Pokemon Communication, Revive, and Eviolite. (Oddly enough, all those cards work great in Gigas.)

Regigigas X doesn't count as a basic right..?

Nope. You'll probably want a Premier Ball or two.

Nah, now that I added Expert Belt Regigigas damage has been much more consistent.

I run 2 PlusPower, 2 Expert Belt AND 2 Crobat G in my Gigas build. I want to never have to say that I was 10 HP short of a knockout...and it happens often. You can never be too sure. (This goes well with the aforementioned Drag Off.)

I'm not so sure about these. Double Colorless seems like its uses would be limited..

In the long run you don't need these. This is basically for attacking T2 Gigaton Punch or Drag Off if you can't get the T2 Sacrifice going. So yeah, it's a short run card.

Thank you, you've been a big help!

No problem! Let me know how it goes.

 

[Purpose]

Hey there, DNA has a lot of great points that I think will all help you with your deck, however if you can get your hands on a few more cards you'll really up this deck's playability. (that didn't make sense but whatever) Unlimited is a really broken format, it has many powerful cards in it's hands which is why it's never played competitively, nonetheless it's still lots of fun. Computer Search is absolutely amazing, and you can never have not enough of those, same with Gust of Wind/Catcher, and Energy Removal. Professor Oak (the first one in base set) is great too, but this probably isn't the kind of deck you'd want to run it in. Anyways the thing about Unlimited is, is that there are very broken cards that render a lot of cards useless. Mary Oak's and Professor Oak's Visit are both downright outclassed by Cheren, and (depending on opinion) is outclassed by Bill's Teleporter as well. Holon Mentor gets outclassed by Pokemon Collector sadly. Delibird and Jirachi are really meh starters in Unlimited both having their own drawbacks. Sableye is easily the best starter there is letting you go first since trainers are available to you T1, and having enough Supporters of different kinds let you do what Delibird and Jirachi wish they could do. Mysterious Fossil and Aerodactyl is probably the most genius idea I have ever seen though, so props to you for that. As DNA was mentioning, you really don't need too many of those energies. With the right drawpower, you don't need a lot at all.

Well, I hope I helped, and if you have any more questions you can ask me, but I'm probably not too qualified to answer them.

 

[HorseCrab]

That's true; I suppose in casual the regular one is better. Drag Off worked great for the format it was in (MD-on), but it can work well elsewhere too - with a Belt, any Basic with 50 or less HP is done for.

That's a good point. Maybe I'll try a 3-1 Gigas lineup since the Drag Off Gigas has much better attacking power than my current one. Its kind of hard to ignore status immunity though, considering any random thing with a chance of status will instantly dick me over otherwise.

I run zero bounce cards in my Gigas build and it works just fine. (SSU and Seeker will make Mesprit even better, really.) This is because a crucial Mesprit drop early on in the game could basically screw your opponent over. You can get set up with no trouble, whereas your opponent gets locked out of Uxie/Claydol for 1 or even 2 turns. You can dump it with Sacrifice anyway so you need not worry about bench space either.

The problem is the people I play with don't use tournament-level decks (though they're starting to). I'll give it a shot, can't hurt to try.

Nope. You'll probably want a Premier Ball or two.

I know I have a few somewhere.. I really need to organize my cards..

I run 2 PlusPower, 2 Expert Belt AND 2 Crobat G in my Gigas build. I want to never have to say that I was 10 HP short of a knockout...and it happens often. You can never be too sure. (This goes well with the aforementioned Drag Off.)

Might be nice if I can stick the Drag Off Gigas in somewhere. Think a 3-1 set would work? Two Recover Gigas / 1 Drag Off with some Premier Ball support. Maybe another Azelf or two.

Hey there, DNA has a lot of great points that I think will all help you with your deck, however if you can get your hands on a few more cards you'll really up this deck's playability. (that didn't make sense but whatever) Unlimited is a really broken format, it has many powerful cards in it's hands which is why it's never played competitively, nonetheless it's still lots of fun.

Yeah, I like playing unlimited because its less about making standard decks, or countering standard decks and more about building the most broken pile of cards you possibly can.

Computer Search is absolutely amazing, and you can never have not enough of those, same with Gust of Wind/Catcher, and Energy Removal. Professor Oak (the first one in base set) is great too, but this probably isn't the kind of deck you'd want to run it in.

I have 4 Computer Search but between Roseanne's Research and Bebe's Search I can already search pretty much every card in the deck. On the other hand Computer Search could get some Energies in the discard while bringing out Gigas X (or a stadium / Expert Belt), so it could be a good thing to add here.

Anyways the thing about Unlimited is, is that there are very broken cards that render a lot of cards useless. Mary Oak's and Professor Oak's Visit are both downright outclassed by Cheren, and (depending on opinion) is outclassed by Bill's Teleporter as well.

Mary's request is the same as Cheren in this deck as I lack any stage 2 Pokes, so its effectively "draw 3 cards". lol I also don't own any Cheren. Bill's Teleporter seems too flippy.. I don't want to lose because of X tails in a row.

Holon Mentor gets outclassed by Pokemon Collector sadly.

Yeah but I don't own Pokemon Collector. If I can find a few I'll definitely replace Mentor.

Delibird and Jirachi are really meh starters in Unlimited both having their own drawbacks. Sableye is easily the best starter there is letting you go first since trainers are available to you T1, and having enough Supporters of different kinds let you do what Delibird and Jirachi wish they could do.

Its a matter of finding some now. I have 2 Sableye now, just need 2 more.

Mysterious Fossil and Aerodactyl is probably the most genius idea I have ever seen though, so props to you for that.

lol, its probably the best thing about this deck. "I have Regigigas and you can't evolve".

As DNA was mentioning, you really don't need too many of those energies. With the right drawpower, you don't need a lot at all.

Yeah, sounds good. I took some energies out for more drawing power.

Well, I hope I helped, and if you have any more questions you can ask me, but I'm probably not too qualified to answer them.

Thank you, you both have been incredibly helpful!

 

[DNA]

As far as casual play goes, a 3-1 Gigas line is probably the superior option: either 2 Gigaton 1 Drag Off 1 LV.X, or 1 Gigaton 2 Drag Off 1 LV.X. If your build goes more for disruption you'll want the 1-2-1, but for casual play though Gigaton is usually the preferred option, due to status removal and the ability to hit very VERY hard with no drawback - a heads adds 20 more damage each to 2 targets.

Sometimes a 2-2 Gigas line can be run (1 Gigaton 1 Drag Off 2 LV.X) but that is usually just personal preference - usually done just in case your Gigas X gets discarded or Lost Zoned and you can't get it back, or if you want to set up a 2nd Gigas X very quickly after the first one dies...but in casual play, is it really all that likely for Gigas to die?

Computer Search CAN work in this deck, but since most of the cards are searchable already it isn't really necessary. Oh, speaking of which, I forgot to mention 2 cards that can work in Gigas:

~Poke Drawer + from Stormfront. Just a note - you either run 4 of these, or you run zero. Playing just 1 lets you draw a card; playing 2 at once lets you yank any 2 cards from your deck at no cost to you.
~Twins from HS Triumphant. It is like Poke Drawer +, except it's a single card, it's a Supporter, and you can only use it when behind on Prizes. This card - as well as Black Belt, also from HS Triumphant - combos beautifully with Gigas. To keep Gigas alive you will need to use Sacrifice frequently, and because of that, prizes will often be tied at the start of a turn. How this works is you Sacrifice near the start of the turn (ONLY IF YOU NEED TO), then drop Twins and get any 2 cards. Finally, do whatever else you need to on your turn, and take a prize to even the exchange again.
~Black Belt can only be played when you're behind, and it too is a Supporter. The difference is that the bonus it gives is +40 to your attack this turn - essentially a quadruple PlusPower. This actually goes nicely with Drag Off; you can bring a Pokemon active and do a whopping 70 damage to it - 90 if Belted. Benched Pokemon techs giving you trouble/setting your opponent up? No longer a problem.

 

[HorseCrab]

Ok.. I had a chance to play with some friends over the weekend.. Of nine games my opponents took a TOTAL of three prizes, and lost every game.. badly. Early Aerodactyl lock is so incredibly destructive in casual it meant I had more time to draw Clefairy Doll / Mysterious Fossil as opposed to blowing up real Pokemon and giving away prizes. One game my opponent Gust of Winded Aerodactyl out and killed it, but by that point I had crushed most of her best Pokes and there wasn't really any hope of recovering at that point. Another issue I found was "can't attack" style Pokemon like the new Beartic and Cobalion. I can switch out and Sacrifice to regain most of the lost energy but its a huge strain. I was thinking maybe adding a Fluffy Berry to assist with not being destroyed by that kind of thing.

I also found out that Scott exists which is pretty cool.

Also I found Abomasnow to be pretty useless though its probably because I'm playing casual and most of my friends don't have a fighting deck. Is there any way to just remove Regigigas's Fighting weakness in a way that isn't called Bubble Coat?

 

[DNA]

Look up Exploud SV. It is a Stage 2 Pokemon, but it negates Weakness for all your Pokemon in play.

Better yet, using the card Rare Candy will bypass Aerodactyl's Pokemon Power, so you can just run a 1-0-1 line of the guy.