Reshiram or Donphan counters

[NeoCandy]

So I'm trying to think up some ideas for fast counters to Reshi or Donphan. I found a couple good ones in EP, but thats about it as far as I can see.

I see EP Basculin #24 doing pretty good with its second attack being:

{W}{C}{C} 80
Flip 2 coiins, if both are tails this pokemon does 80 damage to itself.

Pretty good since any deck with DCE can use it if they tech in a water. Then the 80 HP on a basics great, as it keeps them from getting catcher'd and Sonicboomed by a Yanmega. Only down side is that it has a 25% chance of KOing itself.

Also, EP Simipoor #23 wprks well with its second attack.

{W}{C}{C} 60
Move an energy attached to the defending pokemon to one of your opponent's benched pokemon.

It only has 10 more HP at 90 HP so thats not too helpful, but at least it won't KO itself. It can still OHKO a Reshi, but not a Donphan, so you have to use the energy movement to stall.

For theese two, the main issue is that it takes two turns to set up one when they can get Revenge KO'd by a Reshi.

I would like to hear some other people's thoughts on what a good Donphan\Reshi counter would be.

 

[Dork Void]

Ability Samurott is by far the best Reshiram and Donphan counter in the meta, although SEL works too.

 

[NeoCandy]

Yea but I'm trying to find ones that can be more easily teched. A Oshawatt could be catcher'd and KO'd before you can evolve or candy into Samurott. The all colorless and tanking power is realy helpful though.

 

[Sleeping Snorlax]

Yea but I'm trying to find ones that can be more easily teched. A Oshawatt could be catcher'd and KO'd before you can evolve or candy into Samurott. The all colorless and tanking power is realy helpful though.

Ok... and your other techs can be catcher'd and killed before you get three energies on it.. Every tech you run, you run it with risks... keep that in mind

 

[NeoCandy]

Yea, but a stage one or basic useing a DCE and water is easier than candying or evolveing to a stage two. I can see Samurott realy good in some decks, but not as a one-size-fits-all tech [although none of these do.]

 

[scizorlicious]

Cryogonal is coming out pretty soon. For WC it OHKOs Donphan (not sure about the actual wording of the attack, but I know it does that). It's also a Basic with 80 (I think) HP.

 

[Celebi23]

Zoroark is a great Reshiram counter, but by far the best way to beat Reshiram is to just KO Typhlosion/Emboar before they get too many Blue Flares.

Donphan is more versatile, so it's harder to find a direct counter for it. Tornadus and Yanmega both work pretty well, but not if they run Zekrom.

 

[NeoCandy]

Thanks guys!

BTW I was thinking about Samurott and I made a DonRott deck with the regular T\S\S line, 3 Clefa and 1 Tyrouge. Works realy well and is realy fast, I'm posting it in the deck garrage.