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First up, this week forum rule 15 was updated to address avatars and userbars. Please review the updated rule below to make sure you are familiar with it.

15. Do not attempt to impersonate another member or user group.
Avatars are how many people identify other users. Never copy another member's custom avatar and use it as your own. In addition, never use a staff member's avatar. Doing so will result in a ban.

If you are in a certain user group and use the user bar of another group's on your profile or elsewhere (such as the Super Mod Palkia user bar in your profile), you will be banned for impersonating another user group.
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Secondly, there has been an internal discussion about two of PokéBeach's forums recently. Currently Pokémon Trading and Slateport Market are planned to be cut from the forum lineup before month's end and replaced by single threads. (The Trade Now Thread and an art requests thread) However, we would like to hear some feedback about this before it happens. Is it a good idea? Do you have an idea to increase activity or change something up to make these two forums better? Are you a regular visitor to one of these two forums? Tell us what makes it special to you and why we should keep it. Remember to be honest and be constructive. This may be one of many times where members get to be directly involved in forum decisions.

Finally, we would like to invite you to join our community's chat room! Even if you are shy or not really into chat rooms, give it a shot. There are many kind & resourceful people around, and all sorts of topics are discussed. We encourage all members to participate in the chat, because it is a great way to make friends and directly connect with helpful individuals. If you're interested, check out the chat room rules, and then mosey on over to the chat room page!
 
Does this imply that someone has broken rule 15, or is it just getting the word out?

Personally, I would like Slateport Market to stay. Otherwise, it'd be hard to keep track of who's taking requests and who isn't. It'd also be hard to find requests directed at you, and I wouldn't want to have to read through other people's requests that didn't concern me when I could just have a thread by myself or in a group (like I used to) and everything read there would be my concern. Otherwise, there'll be too much contribution, so it'd be hard to keep track of things.

I don't know if this is the place to say it, but I think we're in need of a World News sub-forum. Lots of world news has been addressed as 'off-topic', and I personally think it's about time that we have a place for it.

I've also been on the chat a few times, but it seems that there's no discussion going on even when there are 20 odd members on there. It's a good system, but maybe there could be topics suggested daily by mods that we could talk about other than awkward silences.

I don't know if this will be considered or not, but I hope that this is read by a mod. Thanks for listening to my ideas.
 
Here is the way requests would be handled in the single thread method. Artists would post in the thread just like it was their first post in their shop, offering whatever type of artistic services they offer. From there members could PM the artist and request artwork. Artists could keep a waiting list in the post if they wanted, and also update with an updated post each week if they wanted. (Showing new work and/or offering new services) That way the thread would not be filled with art requests, it would just be full of artists willing to do artwork.

We will take note of your suggestion, but personally I do not think there is enough interest to warrant a whole forum about world news. Not to mention this isn't a news forum. Also taking note of your suggestion about chat topics. I have something in mind, but for later. :)
 
Ok, thanks for letting me know! Now that you've gone more in-depth on the single thread format, I can see a lot more potential in it.
I understand about it not being a news site, but would it be OK for someone (probably me or a mod) to make a new group that discusses news? It'd be interesting to hear others' views, and I'm willing to host it if I gety the go-ahead. Obviously, we'd have to avoid religious discussion, but for general news I think it'd be good to have a place that's easy to access where you can discuss big topics without having to go into the Casual Discussion Thread.
 
Submit an application for a group and see what happens, you are certainly more than welcome to!
 
I personally like Slateport market the way it is. It's alot easier to find a specific style or whatnot, whereas if in the single thread Br0ken_Ice made his first post on page 5, then I'd have to go to page 5 to try and find other examples of his work.
 
This would lead to total disorganization and chaos. How would we know who had what cards without leafing through pages of posts? Just sayin'.
 
Truthfully, I think Slateport Market should stay as-is. It's worked for a long time now, so I suppose the old adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" could apply here.

For one, as mlouden said, prefixes allow for easy viewing of the services offered. Looking for a banner? The shops which offer the service are bolded. In a single thread, you'd have to CTRL+F, which could get complicated and confusing, especially if there's multiple pages or if a shop is dead.

Upkeep, as a mod, is definitely something to consider as well. With individual threads, it's easy to see when a shop (or shop owner) has become inactive. If it hasn't been posted in for two weeks, the shop owner is probably gone. While some are very good about PMing JC and myself to close their thread, more often than not they just let their thread die. I think it would be quite difficult to determine artist inactivity if requests are done through PMs.

Some shops, as soon as they're opened, are flooded with requests. What happens if an artist with a post in the request thread opens a "shop" and has a full inbox? Their post in the request thread will just sit and take up space. Additionally, I'm not sure if it's fair to have to have artists deal with PMs, especially when posts under the new system work equally well. It's also easier to monitor member's posts/requests in the current format, allowing for better enforcement of the rules of both individual shops and PokéBeach.

All-in-all, I really don't agree with this change. It'll be harder, I think, for members, moderators, and most importantly, the artists involved.
 
Charganium said:
This would lead to total disorganization and chaos. How would we know who had what cards without leafing through pages of posts? Just sayin'.
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I agree with this because you would have to look through pages and pages just to find someone's available cards or art services. It would become a big mess and move way too quickly (full of ninjas.)

This really doesn't seem like a good idea, what are the positives of this?
 
I agree with all of CMP's points.

Also, why make the VGC Trading into one thread, but not the TCG Trading?

I'll post more later.
 
Activity is a big problem with these specific Forums compared to others. I haven't seen big fixes to increase this yet.

dmaster out.
 
Personally, I do not want the Pokemon Trading to go. I have completed the national Pokedex so I wouldn't really have anything to ask for in the Trade Now section specifically, where as with the different threads I can browse for stuff I didn't even know existed that I might want!

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I wouldn't like VG trading to go. And putting it all in the trade now thread might cause confusion. I would really want to keep it as not everyone can make it to every event and it's a way to share your pokemon you worked hard to obtain with other people.
 
I dunno about VG trading as I haven't went there, but to shove Slateport Market into one thread seems silly. Many shops tend to have multiple projects and some of them work on specific types of art. Making it all one thread would breed more chaos than a sense of unity. It's like having all the stores in a city suddenly managed by a sole company; you guys be running the entire operation, putting more work onto yourselves while making previous shopkeepers feel less important. It's negative in both practical and mental terms.
 
I don't mind if Slateport Market goes at all. If I am honest there has been some really bad quality art shops opening recently. Only a few members who are in shops are good artists, it would be much better for a simple sticky thread. Maybe add reps like in the TCG and VG trading section?

And does this mean there are going to be a lot more users in the chat room? Great! Can't wait.
 
I dont think either forums should go. Especially the Slateport Market. Putting them both in just one thread would cause too much confusion.
 
I agree with CMP and Zyflair about the Slateport Market.

Because of all the different services, and the number of shops already there, it seems impossible to fit it all into one thread. I can't see anything gained in the process of removing it; only a disorganized mess. It makes it very hard for new artists who want to help out the community too, because chances are their art won't be on the first few page and the result is them being ignored.

Like mlouden and CMP said, the prefixes are what make the market organized. You can't capture something like that in a thread, because there'll be sprite, banner, avatar, and ever other kind of shop thrown into one. It'll be hard to find what you want, because you have so much stuff to look through.

Also, you can't tell if the artist is still willing to make art for the community if its all in one thread. If they have a shop, and don't want to make art anymore, they can ask CMP or JC to close it for them. Since its difficult to tell how active the workers will be, I can see some getting angry about their request getting ignored.

The same thing applies with trading. I wouldn't be surprised to see newer members quoting one of the posts on the first page, and asking if they want to trade, only to find out that the person isn't active anymore.

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I've also been on the chat a few times, but it seems that there's no discussion going on even when there are 20 odd members on there.
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This is the biggest reason that I barely use the chat room anymore. There's no discussion going on there whenever I show up.
 
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