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Yeah P99 is right. It is like throwing something away that ALREADY IS PART OF THESE FORUMS. Just leave it alone. I like it the way it is. If it goes we as a forum will petition for the return of the trading forum. The best thing to do it make it a sub-forum. Why not just do it? It is simple and easy. You can't have a forum with virtually no sub forums. It is impossible to keep the forums running with no sub forums. If you want these forums to succeed you need to make it that way. Complete elimination would drastically downgrade the forums and will be a big loss for traders and make it very hard to keep track of everyones data. The point is to re-introduce the trading Forum so it does become more active. If it does not just leave it be? It will be the biggest mistake you guys make if you delete the forum entirely. By doing this these forums will drop like a rock in the already active members. P99 For your information File trading IS illegal.There are more and more sites banning it now. This site is one of those. Owning a flashcart or Action Replay can get your in hot water if you are caught. That is why Chariblaze banned it. Also Serebii forums has very strict rules on cloning and hacking devices also. On there you can't even mention the word clone or you can get a warning or even a ban. People still do it but only through the PM system so they are never caught. The word is out that file trading is illegal and was released a few months ago. Ask Bradnock on Secure. He knows about it but he will not quit file trading though.:)
 
@xxashxx: While I agree with you that I will miss Pokemon Trading if it goes, I have to agree with SR that inactive forums either need to be revamped completely or thrown away. A petition will not work. If it goes it goes. I don't want my forums that I Mod to go away, but making them a sub-forum is just like shoving a mess in your room into your closet. We either have to clean it up completely or throw it away.

I'm sad to say it, but there are about 7 active traders nowadays. There were about 5 threads made in the last few weeks, and all but one were locked because they didn't follow the rules. I think that if we want to save the Pokemon Trading forums, we have to band together and decide that we are going to start anew and make it better than it ever was.

Oh and by the way, it is NOT illegal to 'be caught' with a Flash Cart or an Action Replay. I understand that the products are not endorsed by Nintendo, but they are sold in public stores and supermarkets. They are not illegal. Some forms of file trading and game manipulation may be illegal, as I don't know the specific details, but the physical devices of a Flash Cart and an Action Replay are perfectly legal. The use of ARs on PokeBeach is allowed, Just not the distribution or discussion of codes.
 
safariblade said:
@xxashxx: While I agree with you that I will miss Pokemon Trading if it goes, I have to agree with SR that inactive forums either need to be revamped completely or thrown away. A petition will not work. If it goes it goes. I don't want my forums that I Mod to go away, but making them a sub-forum is just like shoving a mess in your room into your closet. We either have to clean it up completely or throw it away.
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To the best of my knowledge, no one wants Pokemon Trading to be a subforum just to shove it away, while keeping it at the same time. They want it as a temporary subforum, in order to grant the community and staff more time to come up with ideas for increasing activity. Granted, if it hasn't yet, it probably won't happen soon, but I hope that this comes across clearly.

Oh and by the way, it is NOT illegal to 'be caught' with a Flash Cart or an Action Replay. I understand that the products are not endorsed by Nintendo, but they are sold in public stores and supermarkets. They are not illegal. Some forms of file trading and game manipulation may be illegal, as I don't know the specific details, but the physical devices of a Flash Cart and an Action Replay are perfectly legal. The use of ARs on PokeBeach is allowed, Just not the distribution or discussion of codes.
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For the record, I never said that doing almost anything with an AR is illegal. I simply said flash carts. While an AR is used for manipulation, flash carts can be compared to emulators: Legal, in a way, but heavily illegal in the vast majority of doings. One only needs to point to press releases like this for examples. Sure, by themselves, the devices are legal, and sure, this technically makes file trading semi-legal. But having a device that is mostly used for malicious purposes is something we don't want to allow on this site.




I haven't come up with any ideas myself for reintroducing Pokemon Trading or anything else of the kind. However, if it comes down to having just the Trade Now thread, then we'll semi-easily be able to do things. Picture this: The Trade Now thread, but with a directory of any of the active traders' trade threads, stored publicly on Google Docs. Kind of like the Master FC list, I guess. People could apply by PM or post, a copy of their thread from wherever they have it could be made on Google Docs, the public link could be edited in with FC or any other type of normal thread information-- etc., etc.

Trades could be conducted through PM or post, and the thread would still work in the same way as it does now: With random people asking for random things from random people.
 
I really don't want Slateport Market to go. I am not the most frequent poster, but I am an active lurker, so I have to wait until I get 50 non-spam posts to get an opportunity to make a shop. I am just confused as to why it's an issue at all TBH. I mean, unless you want to clear space for something new, why is it even a problem to have inactive forums? I could understand if NO ONE used them, but even if a handful do, why delete them? (Not trying to be rude or anything like that, I'm just legitimately confused)
 
Chariblaze said:
To the best of my knowledge, no one wants Pokemon Trading to be a subforum just to shove it away, while keeping it at the same time. They want it as a temporary subforum, in order to grant the community and staff more time to come up with ideas for increasing activity. Granted, if it hasn't yet, it probably won't happen soon, but I hope that this comes across clearly.


For the record, I never said that doing almost anything with an AR is illegal. I simply said flash carts. While an AR is used for manipulation, flash carts can be compared to emulators: Legal, in a way, but heavily illegal in the vast majority of doings. One only needs to point to press releases like this for examples. Sure, by themselves, the devices are legal, and sure, this technically makes file trading semi-legal. But having a device that is mostly used for malicious purposes is something we don't want to allow on this site.




I haven't come up with any ideas myself for reintroducing Pokemon Trading or anything else of the kind. However, if it comes down to having just the Trade Now thread, then we'll semi-easily be able to do things. Picture this: The Trade Now thread, but with a directory of any of the active traders' trade threads, stored publicly on Google Docs. Kind of like the Master FC list, I guess. People could apply by PM or post, a copy of their thread from wherever they have it could be made on Google Docs, the public link could be edited in with FC or any other type of normal thread information-- etc., etc.

Trades could be conducted through PM or post, and the thread would still work in the same way as it does now: With random people asking for random things from random people.
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What could happen is you guys archive all the locked threads and delete them from members to see and leave all the already active threads alone. Then make a master list for members to link their threads in and make the master list on the sticky posts. Make it a requirement for members to post their active threads in the master list so that it will make things easier to keep track of and if they leave for good then just lock that thread and remove the locked thread from the list. It would be similar to the FC master list but for thread links instead. After people post their thread links then whoever creates the thread can add it to the list when they get on XD.:)
 
Chariblaze said:
For the record, I never said that doing almost anything with an AR is illegal. I simply said flash carts. While an AR is used for manipulation, flash carts can be compared to emulators: Legal, in a way, but heavily illegal in the vast majority of doings. One only needs to point to press releases like this for examples. Sure, by themselves, the devices are legal, and sure, this technically makes file trading semi-legal. But having a device that is mostly used for malicious purposes is something we don't want to allow on this site.
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I never said anything against all of that. I know all of that. But xxashxx's comment sounded like he thought the possession of an AR is illegal, which is ridiculous. I understand completely how Emulators and Flash Carts can be used in illegal ways. But I'm not arguing that, I was just commenting about xxashxx's views on ARs.
 
safariblade said:
I never said anything against all of that. I know all of that. But xxashxx's comment sounded like he thought the possession of an AR is illegal, which is ridiculous. I understand completely how Emulators and Flash Carts can be used in illegal ways. But I'm not arguing that, I was just commenting about xxashxx's views on ARs.
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Dude pyracy is one of the biggest problems here in the United States. If you are caught with a pyracy device. This means any pyracy device you could face some serious trouble. The Consequences are 1 year in federal prison or a $250,000 fine or even a combination of both. You can't be busted for buying the device but if you are ever caught with one in possession you can get in major trouble. It has happened to a feew people in the past but it was also because they were doing something else to get them busted and that is how you get caught. You have to do something other than just using the devices. For example you had a crime where the cops came to your house and they search your computer. If they find the flash cart or even an AR you can seriously face some major problems or fines. Usually that is how people get caught is by doing something they should have not been knowing the possible consequences. If your house has ever been searched before in the past you better hope they never find a flash cart or AR or your charges will be that much worse than what they are looking for. That is how you get caught. If you have never been commuted for a crime your chances of being caught would drastically below. Just don't make any serious mistakes on the computer and you will never get caught but if it is an internet crime they will search your computer house and everything electronic and take it. It is rare but still if you are caught you could be in hot water. Just letting you know now as I am keeping an eye out for you as we are family in a way XD.:) I am you big brother looking out for you all XD.:)
 
You don't understand.
Having an Action Replay IS NOT ILLEGAL.

Seriously.
It's not.
If it was, they wouldn't sell it in stores.

Having drugs in your possession is illegal.
Do they sell drugs in stores? No.

I understand that many ways to use an Action Replay can become iffy because of infringement issues and tampering with trademark games.
But that does not make the possession of a piece of plastic illegal.

Technically, Emulators are not illegal either. The USE of them to play ROMs IS. That is the trademark that is being abused, the game, not the devise.I don't know where you base your info that ARs are illegal, but it is wrong. Search around. They are legal to have. What you do with them is different, but even then, it's not the type of crime you think it is.
Oh and you spelled 'Piracy' wrong.
If you want to discuss this more, take it to PM.
 
We've reached a decision regarding the forums that were under review. We'll be keeping both forums but changes will be made. I'll update in the portal when the changes take place. If you have anything further concerns about these forums, please send them to me via PM as I am overseeing the revamps.

I'm going to lock this now, since I think it's gotten off topic and there's really nothing more to discuss.
 
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