Sandy Hook School Shooting in Connecticut

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The horrors that went on this morning was tragic. 27 families will be in mourning every time Christmas comes around, a day meant to be full of joy and giving, but instead it will be full of sadness and the reminder that someone was taken away from their lives. It doesn't matter whether the problem is gun control or whatever the case may be, it happened. Why do people decide that it's right to kill others? No human should ever be able to decide whether someone should live or not.
 
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This is a sad day for everybody everywhere. Whether the issue be about gun controll or not, it doesn't hide the fact that 26 people had their lives ripped away from them. No matter what stems from this, I will never forget these people and their families.
 
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PDC said:
Holy shit. I am tired of this stupid gun control arguements. 27 people died, and you all talk a bout gun control? Are you kidding me? What a god damn joke. This is not about gun control, and this will not turn into a god damn thread like that. Before the media explodes about a fricking gun control arguement, think about it and actually realize what happened. Don't fricking start with me.

Connecticut got rid of the death penalty, not allowd. It was terrible incident, and for somebody who lives literally 10 minutes away, this is sickening. 27 dead, and few realize this feat. The gun man is dead and we all realize that, but he still will bear the scars on many families. We have been in a lockdown all day when this terrible incident occurred. Nobody could leave the building. My friends and everybody in the school knows people who did die in that school, and I saw my friend cry today over it.

Just fricking stop with gun control arguements, do it somewhere else. Anywhere but here.
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It is sad. It is tragic, you are absolutely right. It is disgusting, upsetting, it is any negative word you can think of, and I am sorry that you have to be associated with it. Truly sorry.

That said, no. This is a discussion about this shooting, and this shooting is related to gun control, like it or not. You are exemplary of everything I talked about in my second reply to this thread, deciding to just ignore the bigger issue because there's been a tragedy. I think it's a little odd that you talk about the media exploding with gun control arguments when gun control was ignored after the Aurora shootings, and a completely non-existent point of interest in the presidential debates. Gun control is not a popular discussion in the media, not sure why you spin it that way.

Expanding on Hyper's post, a common argument from gun-rights supporters (by the way, before anyone mentions the second amendment, it was written in 1791, don't you think it's a bit outdated?) is that guns help to save lives. If anyone could tell me the last time a gun prevented a major tragedy or explain how it would've helped earlier today, I'd be glad to hear either.
 
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PDC is on point. The gun control debate honestly doesn't matter right now. Instead of arguing who should have guns or not, why aren't people setting more of their concerns on how they can donate/help the affected families.

Gun control policy is a controversy long in the making and realistically, people are in danger regardless of who's allowed to bear arms. Someone with a clean record (that one of you brought up) is no less likely to make horrible choices with lethal weapons. Take the kid behind The Dark Knight Rises premiere shooting for example, nobody would have thought that this guy would ever pull a move like that because he was just a mere student, with no criminal record. I'm not concerning myself with the controversy, just simply reemphasizing why its not really important at this point.
 
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^^^. The gun control doesn't matter. My condolences to those affected. Arguing over the gun control thing is pointless. Guns wont be outlawed anytime soon and there are more important things going on at the moment.
 
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exdarkrai01 said:
^^^. The gun control doesn't matter. My condolences to those affected. Arguing over the gun control thing is pointless. Guns wont be outlawed anytime soon and there are more important things going on at the moment.
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what more important is going on? This shooting is the most important thing going on, but for some reason you (and everybody else) are deciding gun control just isn't even a factor in it.

That guns.

Are not a factor.

In a shooting.

Think about that for a second.

@elite stride: I guess that you are right that efforts should be focused on helping the families affected cope with such senseless violence. But are we doing any of that? No, we are repeating the same condolences over and over and over, as if every person who posts "this is sad" on a Pokemon forum is contributing to the victims' grief.

So why not talk about what is behind this, and discuss how so disgusting a crime can be prevented from happening again?
 
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The Yoshi said:
RogueChomp said:
Ok, so what do you think? Not only did he kill children for no apparent reason, but then he committed suicide. Sounds insane.
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You don't get it. I completely agree with jew's statement about indirect racial discrimination still happening. If a black or foreign man did that and didn't commit suicide, what do you think the consequences would be? Hypothesizing, if the killer didn't commit suicide, I guarantee that his charges would likely be much less. The point was not debating whether or not he was insane, his point was to show flawed American society, even today.
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Ooh ok, it just seemed like that.
I would agree to, mostly people blame things on stereotypes, which is dumb.
 
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Zenith said:
if we don't talk about gun control now, when are we supposed to?
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Perhaps in a Gun Control thread, or maybe even a thread where we have different political discussions on a daily basis?

Ohoho, what am I saying? That'd be locked in 3.24 seconds just because someone wouldn't be able to handle a conservative viewpoint on the issue.
 
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in all of the debates/internet flame wars I've had on the subject, I've managed to keep my cool with the other side not being able to handle arguments.

here's an article about the Aurora shooting from this summer. look at how everything is exactly the same, and cry.
 
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Better gun control would have helped, but it won't stop these senseless types of crimes. If guns are available, people will get their hands on them somehow. I just feel bad for everyone involved. Thirteen years ago, we thought the Columbine shooting was heinous, but this trumps that tenfold. I mean, it was a damn elementary school! You don't get much crueler than gunning down little kids.
 
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@Elk-Dimension

Well, I was speaking more generally about the people around the nation debating gun control. Since this topic is obviously about the shooting, I agree, there's no reason not to be discussing it right here. That being said, I stand by what I said about this kind of situation not really being preventable through higher gun regulation. Sadly, that's just the world we live in.

Elk-Dimension said:
If anyone could tell me the last time a gun prevented a major tragedy or explain how it would've helped earlier today, I'd be glad to hear either.
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I also agree completely with your point about the second amendment being outdated. But I also think that if one of the teachers or faculty had a Concealed Carrying License, a gun definitely could have helped the situation that went on today and possibly reduced the magnitude of the tragedy.
 
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Zenith said:
in all of the debates/internet flame wars I've had on the subject, I've managed to keep my cool with the other side not being able to handle arguments.
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Trust me, you're the last person I was thinking of when I said people wouldn't be able to handle opposing viewpoints. Gun control is a sea of "what if". Nothing's set in stone, but if there's even a chance to prevent tragedies such as this in the future, I'd take it.

While I'm here, I offer my thoughts and prayers to the families affected by this tragedy.
 
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if a dude wants to shoot up a school, a dude's gonna shoot up a school. the teachers having guns wouldn't have helped at all.

also we don't keep things legal just cause people can get them. we do it to make them harder to get and dissuade most people from going through the effort (hard drugs, child porn, slaves). there was a really good post earlier in the thread about it but I guess no one read back that far

i'm not gonna offer my thoughts and prayers to the families because that means f*ck all ("oh i just lost my child but at least sonicfan001xx from the internet said his thoughts are with us!") i'm gonna try to get people to realize that this was stupid and shouldn't have happened and try get people to prevent future things like this from happening.
 
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Zenith said:
if a dude wants to shoot up a school, a dude's gonna shoot up a school. the teachers having guns wouldn't have helped at all.
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I'm curious as to why you think it would not have made a difference. Suppose a faculty member were to have shot him, which would consequently prevent him from killing more children, how will that have not helped at all? This is of course, only one preventative measure, but there is really only so much that can be done to prevent this type of thing from happening in a public place. I can hardly imagine very many schools beginning to screen every person who walks through for weapons.
 
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guns don't kill adults immediately; it often takes up to a minute to even realize you've been shot when adrenaline is flowing. and i wouldn't want a teacher to have a gun in a classroom anyway. what if a kid got a hold of it? you could say that you could lock it up but then you'd waste time in case of this one specific instance

a lot of people seem to be confusing guns and magic??? guns don't magically ward off people with guns. you have to get out the gun, you have to shoot them, and you have to wait. and if they don't die, you have to shoot them more. they'll still do a ton of damage in the time it takes you to take them down. and you might say "oh but maybe they'd do less damage!!!" and that's a pretty horrible way to look at it. 15 children dead would be too much, 5 children dead would be too much, 1 child dead would be too much. so don't come in here saying "guns prevent gun crime!" because that's a pathetically naive, sheltered viewpoint
 
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I'm really don't understand why some 20 year old would want to kills bunch of 5-10 year olds. What's this world coming to?
 
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This was obviously a very disturbing event. What disturbed me even more is that following the coverage of this event, were reports of two other smaller public shootings within 100 miles of me. This kind of thing has become the norm, which is just terrible.
 
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alex said:
I assure you that even a white dude would probably get the death charge (at the very least a life sentence) by killing 26 innocent people, including 20 children...
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Are you aware CT got rid of the death sentence? My point was that if it was a foreign killer (I'll put it that way) committed the crime, I'm sure much more severe consequences would have been in place, which is really obnoxious and cruel IMO. Hey, maybe CT would bring back the death sentence if it had been a colored man....
 
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@Zenith

The point of a CCL is that the kids wouldn't have access to it, and they definitely wouldn't know about it. One of the teachers in Connecticut had the time to file all her kids into a bathroom and pull a bookshelf in front of the door, I can hardly imagine a few steps to the nearest cabinet would take even half the time. I wouldn't love the idea of guns near my child either, but the mere number of school shootings since Columbine foreshadows a possible(probably slow/gradual) change in security measures for public schools in the future that may or may not involve weapons.

On that note, we can even talk about a combined effort of the faculty using something like knockout tasers or heavy sedative guns. The point about using guns against guns is only one way of looking at it.

Zenith said:
so don't come in here saying "guns prevent gun crime!" because that's a pathetically naive, sheltered viewpoint
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How do these kinds of comments contribute to a peaceful discussion, especially when this isn't the point I was making? Earlier you had said that a concealed weapon
Zenith said:
wouldn't have helped at all.
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My previous response stated that it could have significantly decreased the magnitude of the outcome- that's what we were discussing here. You're absolutely right, guns do not prevent gun crime. What does prevent a man from waking up and saying, "I think I'll go kill some people today."?

Now that we're on the subject though, I'll play devil's advocate and lets say, just for a moment, that guns can prevent gun crime. Why do you think Policemen carry firearms? The only way they can oppose a criminal who also carries a gun is to be equipped with one themselves. If authorities simply tried to verbally negotiate with a criminal every time there was say, a homicide or a drug cartel activity, without the force of a gun, where would we be today?

Zenith said:
and you might say "oh but maybe they'd do less damage!!!" and that's a pretty horrible way to look at it.
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I agree with you completely, but honestly our society is only concerned with numbers. Say maybe one or two people got killed in this shooting, I can guarantee you that there would not be as extensive coverage or deep concern by everyone around the nation. But, because 27 kids were killed, everyone seems to think that it is somehow worse. Quantitatively, it is, but as you said, even one life lost would have been too much. We (and especially the parents) can only sit here and think though, that if maybe somebody had been armed to silence the gunman early on, there would be a lot less families mourning the loss of their little boy or girl.
 
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