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Scizor/Umbreon

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killers0820

Aspiring Trainer
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Pokemon:
3-2 Scizor Prime
3-2 Umbreon UD
1 Skarmory UD
2 Sableye SF
3-3-1 Aggron TM
total- 20

T/S/S:
2 Interviewer's Questions
2 Bebe's Search
2 Team Rocket's Trickery
2 Engineer's Adjustments
1 Twins
1 Professor Oak's New Theory
1 Professor Elm's Training Method
2 Pokemon Communication
2 Warp Point
2 Pokemon Circulator
1 Switch
1 Energy Exchanger
1 Luxury Ball
1 Conductive Quarry
total- 21

Energy:
3 Dark Energy
4 Special Dark
8 Steel Energy
4 Special Steel Energy
total- 19

Strategy
It's a very straightforward steel/dark deck. Scizor can tank and wall against special energies. Umbreon can wall against poke-bodies and poke-powers. Sableye and Skarmory are for set-up. Aggron is a tank if I can set him up.

Issues:
-The Aggron is slow and not built very well
-I'm a little low on basics
-I'm a little heavy on dark energies
-I'm a little heavy on switch/warp point/pokemon circulator

Cards I can easily obtain:
-Rare Candy
-Pokemon Collector
-Skarmory UD
-Umbreon UD
-PONT
-Aggron TM
-Absol Prime
-Expert Belts

Cards I want:
-Scizor Prime
-Uxie LA (but it's going out of rotation soon)
-Metagross LA (also going out of rotation soon)

There are some cards I can trade for, but I'd like to know which ones I should try to trade for. I'm willing to buy online as long as the cards aren't above ten dollars, but only if it would be extremely helpful. Overall, I'd like to get opinions on the deck as well as how I could improve it. It plays pretty well, especially the Scizor, but I really only use it for casual play.

Thanks!
 
Lots of room for improvements here. Let's start with the Pokemon:

Pokemon:
3-2 Scizor Prime
3-2 Umbreon UD
1 Skarmory UD
2 Sableye SF
3-3-1 Aggron TM
total- 20
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You want to tank with Umbreon and Scizor, so drop Aggron altogether. Skarmory is an okay starter, but Sableye is just better in every way, and can donk, so let's remove Skarm too. This frees up 8 spots, which we'll use to strengthen our main lines and support lines:
+1 Scyther
+2 Scizor Prime
+1 Umbreon UD
+1 Eevee
+1 Espeon MD (+20 HP to Umbreon)
+2 Sableye
You also need drawpower, and when it comes to that, look no further than Uxie LA.
+2 Uxie

Energy:
3 Dark Energy
4 Special Dark
8 Steel Energy
4 Special Steel Energy
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19 Energy is way too much! Umbreon and Scizor will never use more than 2, so let's remove the excess:
-5 Basic Steel
You can also run Rainbows if you want, but its wise to keep Basic Energies for oposing Scizor (even though you can stall it out with Moonlight Fang). Since Uxie took 2 spots, the remaining 3 will be used to improve the TSS:

T/S/S:
2 Interviewer's Questions
2 Bebe's Search
2 Team Rocket's Trickery
2 Engineer's Adjustments
1 Twins
1 Professor Oak's New Theory
1 Professor Elm's Training Method
2 Pokemon Communication
2 Warp Point
2 Pokemon Circulator
1 Switch
1 Energy Exchanger
1 Luxury Ball
1 Conductive Quarry
total- 21
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Let's completely remake the TSS setup. We have space for 24 cards left.
4 Bebe's Search
3 Pokemon Collector
3 Professor Oak's New Theory
2 Interviewer's Questions
1 Palmer's Contribution
2 Seeker (reuse Uxies and maybe donk)

2 Warp Point
1 Luxury Ball
2 Expert Belt

3 Broken Time-Space (this is always useful, even in stage 1 decks. You want Sciz/Umby attacking ASAP, and with this you can do it turn 1 provided you dont start the game).

I hope my suggestions helped!
 
i have a scizorbreon deck as my main deck. may i ask, what is the point of Skarmory if you only have 1? You would ideally want to start with 1 at the beginning of the game and 1 metal to start tanking. So I would run 3 or 4. 1 is useless and plays an insignificant role.
 
I ran Scizor/Umbreon for cities, and despite of a rather annoying lack of wished cards, I didn't do so bad. In my experience, this deck desperately needs a better starter! Skarmory and Sableye, should be paired together to a total number of at least 6. This way you'll always be setting up a Scizor rapidly;)

Drop Aggron all together, get hold of a 1-1-1 Metagross LA-line and seriously consider cutting down on the energy! Since you'll be searching out the special metals with skarmory, you won't be needing to have supporters for energy-uses;)
 
Thanks for all the help!

I took out one basic dark energy and one basic steel energy and put in two more Skarmories.

Tomorrow, I'm trading with a friend and I can get a few good cards, but I'm wondering which ones to go for. He has:
-Pokemon Collector
-Expert Belt
-Rare Candy
-PONT
-Rainbow Energy
Which of these would work well in my deck?

Finally, I'm getting another Scizor Prime from a friend and plan on adding that in as soon as I get it.

Thanks again!
 
Collector, Expert Belt and PONT are good additions. Only use Rare Candy if you add a Stage 2 tech line like Metagross. I dont think you need Rainbow.
 
Your Skarmory is useful for Scizor...so I would say keep it. You might, however, have trouble picking up dark energies, so you may want to include Unown (Dark). I see that your deck is built basically to either build Scizor against a deck which relies on special energies, or build Umbreon against a deck full of powers and bodies. You're probably going to need lots of PONTs, especially with inconsistent trainer lines, and seekers to pick up your bench so your Umbreon is the only pokemon facing enemies when your opponent has cards that make you switch.
 
I traded for a PONT, and will get two expert belts tomorrow. The new list will be:
-1 Professor Elm's Training Method
-2 Team Rocket's Trickery

+1 PONT
+2 Expert Belt

Thanks for the help! And once again, any criticism is greatly appreciated.
 
I just switched from 2 to 3 E-belts, and am already seeing great results! Having the opportunity to belt 2 Scizor in addition to the UmbreLock, is just awesome - sincerely recommend it!
 
That sounds smart. Some of the changes I made:
-1 Aron
-1 Lairon

+1 Scizor Prime
+1 Pokemon Collector

I now have a 2-2-1 Aggron line that I could take out all together, but I don't know what to add in. Besides adding the extra expert belt (thank you ATS), what else should I add?

Some cards I have:
2-2 Houndoom Prime
1 Absol Prime
1-1 Umbreon UD
2 Pokemon Communication
1 DCE
1 Skarmory UD

I can probably get other cards off of friends or online, so don't be afraid to recommend ones that I don't have.

Thanks again for the help!
 
Hmm, you've actually got Absol Prime? Hold on to it in these times of LostGar-ian dominance. Starting with it wouldn't be a half bad idea in this deck-build either due to its awesome body, and I wouldn't recommend adding more than just the one, so it's kinda perfect;)

Swap the remaining five Aggron-related cards with Absol Prime, 2 Pokemon Communication, 1 Skarmory and if you'll get one; an Uxie. Ideally I would recommend 2 Uxie, seeing as they are kind of staple to any deck except arceus and charizard... But I understand if these can be tough to get you're hands on. If you fail to get your hands on one of these, you should look into the Jirachi from Legends Awakened. It can seriously help you against anything tank-like outside of the one-shotting range of scizor;) It's also a decent starter:)
 
I run this exact deck(you can see my thread), and someone suggested Jirachi RR. And you know what, that isn't actually bad. Free retreat and only +20 to Fire is great. It's attack is great for no energy and its Poke-power is awesome for something you may need(for example, Absol Prime). So consider dropping 1 Skarmory and something else. It might really help, and I need to get my hands on a few for my deck.
 
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