Section 1031 said:
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Senate declares USA to be a battleground
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And you're making a fuss about this bill when the same people who made it also ruled pizza as a vegetable? Honestly, I think its just the media blowing things out of proportion once again, because thats what they do. If they didn't make a big story of it no one would care, and they wouldn't get any business. I can tell you that I've only read like one or two posts in the thread, but there is absolutely no way that this bill can get passed. It completely violates the First Amendment if it does exactly what it says it does and the Supreme Court will shoot it down. Don't worry about it.
I dunno man, the U.S. Government has recently shown that they are no stranger to violating laws in the U.S. Constitution by shoving the recent Health Care Bill known as Obamacare down peoples' throats against their own will without an appeal. They are also desperating trying to get their way by blacklisting countless websites across the Internet through the passage of Protect IP and SOPA, and now they recently passed NDAA which allows the U.S. Military to throw U.S. Civilians in jail for protesting against corruption in the U.S. Government or on Wall Street, for speaking their own mind, and for fighting for what is right to protect liberty and free will for all via 1st Amendment rights of the U.S. Constitution.
The Bill that we are talking about right now has already passed through Congress. The big problem right now is that Government is too big, lobbyists are using money through Wall Street and other Corporations to undermine the U.S. Citizen. This isn't the media blowing things out of proportion, the Senators who were in favor of this bill didn't know about the stuff that was put in the bill and now they need to fix it in order to protect U.S. Citizens. This is the age of the protester, we as Americans need to fight for our freedoms, liberties, and rights before it's too late. I know this sounds crazy but it's the real deal.
Even though this bill has already passed through Congress there is still a chance that the Supreme Court can shoot it down or rewrite it. Thing is we needed this Bill to pass to help stabilize the U.S. Government's spending in Military Defense that is why President Obama already signed it into law, the problem is that there is some content in this bill that as I pointed out earlier already violates the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and Habeus corpus. It needs to be appealed and rewritten to support the U.S. Constitution. What part of that don't you understand?
The Bill that we are talking about right now has already passed through Congress. The big problem right now is that Government is too big, lobbyists are using money through Wall Street and other Corporations to undermine the U.S. Citizen. This isn't the media blowing things out of proportion, the Senators who were in favor of this bill didn't know about the stuff that was put in the bill and now they need to fix it in order to protect U.S. Citizens. This is the age of the protester, we as Americans need to fight for our freedoms, liberties, and rights before it's too late. I know this sounds crazy but it's the real deal.
Even though this bill has already passed through Congress there is still a chance that the Supreme Court can shoot it down or rewrite it. Thing is we needed this Bill to pass to help stabilize the U.S. Government's spending in Military Defense that is why President Obama already signed it into law, the problem is that there is some content in this bill that as I pointed out earlier already violates the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and Habeus corpus. It needs to be appealed and rewritten to support the U.S. Constitution. What part of that don't you understand?
Card Slinger J said:
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My fear is that America is becoming a fascist statehood similiar to Adolf Hitler and the
Nazi Regime during WWII, I hope not but hey If you've seen the movie "V for Vendetta" then you know what I'm talking about.
Nazi Regime during WWII, I hope not but hey If you've seen the movie "V for Vendetta" then you know what I'm talking about.
wow. cant believe there are a few people who dont truly know what this bill is saying, and means. oh, and for those saying they hope it isnt passed, guess what, it already did. a while back. 
also, for a comment that said something about 90+ people voting for it, makes it not bad.... you have a lot to learn about the real world.
also, for a comment that said something about 90+ people voting for it, makes it not bad.... you have a lot to learn about the real world.
I'm sorry, but people who don't understand politics shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinion on them. This bill has indeed passed and it does indeed do many of the things people are outraged about. It's long, it's confusing - it's real. Read the bill itself and not articles about it, then you will understand.
The only way to enact the Nationally Defense Authorization Act legally is if 2/3 of the people vote on it to make it an Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. If the government tries to enact the Nationally Defense Authorization Act without it being made an Amendment will be in violation of the Constitution.
Right now the ultimate law of the land (U.S. Supreme Court) says in Amendment IV that the government cannot search unreasonable and seizures your poetry without a warrant. Also Amendment V says No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia.
As for US citizens committing treason, according to Article III Section 3 of our Constitution says, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Congress shall have Power to declare Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted." This is how we are to treat people that commit treason. You still can't just arrest some one and in the case of treason, Congress is the judge that decides the punishment, not the courts. Still it requires witnesses like everything else.
So legally the government will not be able to enact parts of the Nationally Defense Authorization Act if the US citizens do not vote on it to make it an Amendment. I do want to know if the government chooses to break the law by violating the 4th and 5th Amendment and/or Article III Section 3, who arrests the government when they do?
Long live freedom and down with governmental slavery.
Right now the ultimate law of the land (U.S. Supreme Court) says in Amendment IV that the government cannot search unreasonable and seizures your poetry without a warrant. Also Amendment V says No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia.
As for US citizens committing treason, according to Article III Section 3 of our Constitution says, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Congress shall have Power to declare Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted." This is how we are to treat people that commit treason. You still can't just arrest some one and in the case of treason, Congress is the judge that decides the punishment, not the courts. Still it requires witnesses like everything else.
So legally the government will not be able to enact parts of the Nationally Defense Authorization Act if the US citizens do not vote on it to make it an Amendment. I do want to know if the government chooses to break the law by violating the 4th and 5th Amendment and/or Article III Section 3, who arrests the government when they do?
Long live freedom and down with governmental slavery.
there is no such thing as freedom here
There's still freedom here, just not to the extent that it used to be before Obama took office.
Okay you got me on that one PokeMedic, yeah I remember the Bush Administration years. It was crazy yes but the governmental policies that were set in place back then weren't as bad as they are right now. Name me one policy by the Bush Administration that is as bad as Obamacare, No Child Left Behind? The Bush Tax Cuts? Please...
The current passage of the National Defense Authorization Act is pretty bad, and so is SOPA, Protect IP/PIPA, OPEN Act, and the Online Streaming Act which haven't even been passed as of this posting. What Bush Policies are as bad as the ones from Obama's policies that I mentioned above? It's obvious that most of Obama's policies are worse than Bush's policies.
Heck If that wasn't bad enough we now have someone claiming that the Muslim Brotherhood are trying to take over the United States. Gee I wonder If this has anything to do with President Obama being Muslim. I'll admit that Obama isn't perfect in terms of foreign policy issues and the most he's ignored revolves around Israel. Pretty sad IMO...
The current passage of the National Defense Authorization Act is pretty bad, and so is SOPA, Protect IP/PIPA, OPEN Act, and the Online Streaming Act which haven't even been passed as of this posting. What Bush Policies are as bad as the ones from Obama's policies that I mentioned above? It's obvious that most of Obama's policies are worse than Bush's policies.
Heck If that wasn't bad enough we now have someone claiming that the Muslim Brotherhood are trying to take over the United States. Gee I wonder If this has anything to do with President Obama being Muslim. I'll admit that Obama isn't perfect in terms of foreign policy issues and the most he's ignored revolves around Israel. Pretty sad IMO...
The Patriot Act, warrent-less search and seizure, illegal wiretapping -and no one was outraged; those that were were called hippies, losers, and they 'didn't get it'. They were anti-American because they didn't support the President. Fast forward to 2011 with Obama in the White House; now if you protest the Presidents actions you're a patriot (Thanks FOX News), and Obama is threatening the very essence of democracy with a bill about health care. As someone who works in the healthcare field, who has worked in hospitals, the system robs everyone and it needs to be fixed. If you want to listen to the argument on the constitutionality of this bill, remember that the people saying it is unconstitutional are from the same group who voted yes on the all of the previously stated grievances, including the new NDA act. They'll say what they want loud enough and people will listen to them, even if it goes against their own interests. What, you think the President just invents these policies? Pulls them out of the Magic Lincoln Hat or something? This stuff comes from law makers, and everyone should know by now that they have no idea what they're doing except trying to run the country by their standards; it's just that one group wants to help people and the other could give less of a damn about anyone who isn't white and employed.
As far as the Muslim Brotherhood; same crap during the Cold War. Back then everyone was afraid of communism. There needs to be a fear of a group of people to unite another group towards a common goal, or to just shut them up and keep them in line. Remember that Christians have killed people because of what they believed in. Even regular folks with no religions association. Don't ever forget that -especially when people want to treat all Muslims like radical suicide bombers. Some of the most major acts of terrorism on our soil were committed by white, American-born folks. Remember Timothy McVeigh. Remember Eric Robert Rudolph.
As far as the Muslim Brotherhood; same crap during the Cold War. Back then everyone was afraid of communism. There needs to be a fear of a group of people to unite another group towards a common goal, or to just shut them up and keep them in line. Remember that Christians have killed people because of what they believed in. Even regular folks with no religions association. Don't ever forget that -especially when people want to treat all Muslims like radical suicide bombers. Some of the most major acts of terrorism on our soil were committed by white, American-born folks. Remember Timothy McVeigh. Remember Eric Robert Rudolph.
Well incase you're wondering a few days ago Obama signed NDAA for 2012 into law, here's the thing: The Government passes a NDAA law each year to give money to our military which is why this bad version of NDAA was passed near-unanimously in Congress and why Obama signed it. Not because they all secretly want to toss American citizens in jail. It's bad enough the Mexican Mafia are trying to infiltrate the U.S. from within with their drug war going on right now taking the lives of innocent people for their own gain.
So does the situation suck? Yes, it does. But it sucks for very different reasons than they think. Of course the right course of action was to veto NDAA of 2012 but then the Military wouldn't have any money left fighting in other places around the world like in Afghanistan to keep our world safe from terrorist organizations like the Taliban or corrupt regimes from foreign countries like Iran and North Korea. Plus we already spent like $9 Trillion in Military Spending fighting in Iraq.
Was it worth it you ask? Yes and no. Yes because we got rid of 1 less dictator making the world a more unstable place to live in while also possibly gaining an ally in the Middle East against Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood. I guess you could say that If the U.S. hadn't invaded Iraq for the 2nd time in a row (the first was back in the early 90's during the 1st Persian Gulf War under Bush Senior's Administration) then Israel would be in a much worse situation than they are now, it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway If the U.S. hadn't invaded Iraq in 2003.
So does the situation suck? Yes, it does. But it sucks for very different reasons than they think. Of course the right course of action was to veto NDAA of 2012 but then the Military wouldn't have any money left fighting in other places around the world like in Afghanistan to keep our world safe from terrorist organizations like the Taliban or corrupt regimes from foreign countries like Iran and North Korea. Plus we already spent like $9 Trillion in Military Spending fighting in Iraq.
Was it worth it you ask? Yes and no. Yes because we got rid of 1 less dictator making the world a more unstable place to live in while also possibly gaining an ally in the Middle East against Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood. I guess you could say that If the U.S. hadn't invaded Iraq for the 2nd time in a row (the first was back in the early 90's during the 1st Persian Gulf War under Bush Senior's Administration) then Israel would be in a much worse situation than they are now, it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway If the U.S. hadn't invaded Iraq in 2003.
As long as you don't live in certain California counties (cant burn woodfires/use plastic bags/flush a toilet with a strong flush/use incandescent lights/buy live animals on the street) there is more freedom here than we know what to do with. Unless of course you are a terrorist/associate with terrorists/act like a terrorist, which I doubt any of us have to worry about.
But if one of my friends ever does get assassinated, ill concede to these concerns.
But if one of my friends ever does get assassinated, ill concede to these concerns.
They've been talking about this on tumblr for awhile now, and it has the possibility to become like that. What it actually sums up too is that it gives the goverment the right to arrest someone suspected of terrorist actions without a trial. It could become like it says in the article, but I hardly think the first one will pass. The US has always depended on public opinion, and this time, hopefully, it will.